2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[sosic2121]

OK I couldn't help myself , deliberate off track pushing. Where is Hamilton going?? Call the press, Charlie Whiting and police, completely unacceptable.
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And again, think you must have a problem with where on track is what permitted or what options do you have?

Here it's naughty, and racing. Rosberg has a choice. Run off track (what he did I thought) or back off and drop behind Hamilton (what Hamilton and other WC drivers do in those kind of moments)

Last lap in austria was before the apex, under braking. No backing off there, no dropping in behind, just off track or a collision.

lol
you must have confused Ham with Vettel or Alonso

[Jolle]

OK I couldn't help myself , deliberate off track pushing. Where is Hamilton going?? Call the press, Charlie Whiting and police, completely unacceptable.
http://i.cubeupload.com/rx2aY6.jpg
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And again, think you must have a problem with where on track is what permitted or what options do you have?

Here it's naughty, and racing. Rosberg has a choice. Run off track (what he did I thought) or back off and drop behind Hamilton (what Hamilton and other WC drivers do in those kind of moments)

Last lap in austria was before the apex, under braking. No backing off there, no dropping in behind, just off track or a collision.

lol
you must have confused Ham with Vettel or Alonso

No I didn't. What's even worse for Rosberg, if he just taken te apex, it would have been natural to run a bit wide on the exit (because his approach wasn't optimal being on the inside line) and Hamilton would have slotted behind him. With the yellow flag in the next sector, he would have won it.

[bonjon1979]

This is a really good point. If he had just taken the corner, there is no way Hamilton could win because of the yellows in the next sector.

[justmoi]

Hey the only thing I can see re the stewards awarding an apparently lenient penalty to rosberg after concluding he DID in fact cause a collision is that they probably took into consideration he already lost positions and some points from what was a minimum second place finish as a result of his move. And the car he crashed into won the race and got max points.

Maybe they were thinking he already suffered a penalty, while trying not to influence the championship table too much themselves.

That's the only thing that would seem to make sense.

[justmoi]

Can I just add that re Barcelona putting the blame on Hamilton because he crashed is too simple minded. He crashed in Barcelona because he closed on his team mate very rapidly (who was in wrong engine mode), put his front wing alongside legitimately and at the speed differential would surely have passed. Teammate left him no room, certainly not a car's width and he had to go on the grass and crashed. Even during the race commentators gave some blame to Nico.

If we remember properly and objectively, the stewards did not blame Lewis for that crash.

Lewis crashed and absolutely not deliberately took out rosberg.

I guess you can say some of Nico's moves do come back to bite him.

But let me just add here that surely there are times in the past Lewis has been over aggressive with Nico also, for sure

[Restomaniac]

Exactly. the only problem is that this rule has been ignored to many times in the past, like in Canada. Pushing off track in any way should be punished and not considered racing incidents.
in Spain ric did same thing to vet, but vet so that coming and outsmarted ric.

also, we are now ignoring the facts that Ham hit Ros on purpose, and that Ros blocked Ham after that.

It's Prost Senna all over again and it's FIA 's fault

Hamilton is in front. Look at his onboard. There is no way he could see that Rosberg had decided not to take the apex or the corner in any normal way because Rosberg was in Hamiltons blind spot.
Hamilton takes the corner as any and everyone would if you were on the outside making a pass in fact he gave Rosberg TONS of room. There is no way he would anticipate his team mate would position his car to just T-bone him.

The only way Hamilton avoids that contact today is for Hamilton to drive straight on and go completely off the track. Not 2 wheels but all his car being well, well off the track.

I agree with you. that's what Nico did in Canada, Austin and Suzuka, but that is not the point I'm trying to make.
I'm blaming FIA for ignoring this "racing incidents" since ever. Even now Nico is not punished for pushing hamilton of the track, as lewis wasn't in canada.
next race we will have the same thing, only question is how will be on the inside(as Nico said)

Ah fair enough. Sorry.

[Jolle]

Hey the only thing I can see re the stewards awarding an apparently lenient penalty to rosberg after concluding did in fact cause a collision is that they probably took into consideration he already lost positions and some points from what was a minimum second place finish as a result of his move. And the car he crashed into won the race and got max points.

Maybe they were thinking he already suffered a penalty, while trying not to influence the championship table too much themselves.

That's the only thing that would seem to make sense.

I'm puzzled that it took so long. The incident itself looked pretty clear, maybe the punishment itself took a while to negotiate? Especially which role the mercedes team itself will take towards the drivers. It would explain why Rosberg effectively didn't get punished in the result or grid penalties, etc.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Looks like the Fia putting a stop to tire pressure trickery via heated axles and rims has gotten its first victim... not the suspension failure but looks like Mercedes is back to chewing up tires

Hope you got the answer.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Its weird how anti-Ferrari this guy is. I'm thinking maybe a Ferrari ran over his puppy.

Well, Well, Well.... While someone is having orgasms thinking of a Ferrari win, which to me is beyond the possibilities on merit, is a great a good thing for you and when I criticize that, it makes you bu** hurt? Get a life dude. As much as you feel orgasmic when someone speaks junk (Ferrari winning, margin is 0.1 sec to Merc, blah blah blah) about Ferrari here, you will find people like me, who absolute throw water on it, more so when it is absolute rubbish.

Finally, if you can't distinguish between, a criticism directed towards a brand like Ferrari and the criticism directed towards IDIOTS who are working to pull the brand down (with their inefficiencies), it's your handicap. Not my problem. It's not for me to be a cheerleader for losers.

And why is it beyond the realms of possibility exactly? Last year, Ferrari won three races on merit and have nearly won a couple this year. Or does it require your certificate of approval or merit of some kind?

Errr.... so this is cleared I guess. On a 20 laps old UltraSofts, that Mercedes was still quicker than than a Ferrari on SuperSofts when Lewis pitted and the UltraSofts weren't supposed to last that long either. Everyone other than Lewis, who were on UltraSoft pitted at 10 (10+) lap mark. So, on merit, a Ferrari still can't beat the Mercs and win.

I still suggest a DreamSeries......

[MrBlacky]

This is a really good point. If he had just taken the corner, there is no way Hamilton could win because of the yellows in the next sector.

Why is this a good point? They didn't even know at that point that there was a yellow flag.

[Restomaniac]

Can I just add that re Barcelona putting the blame on Hamilton because he crashed is too simple minded. He crashed in Barcelona because he closed on his team mate very rapidly (who was in wrong engine mode), put his front wing alongside legitimately and at the speed differential would surely have passed. Teammate left him no room, certainly not a car's width and he had to go on the grass and crashed. Even during the race commentators gave some blame to Nico.

If we remember properly and objectively, the stewards did not blame Lewis for that crash.

Lewis crashed and absolutely not deliberately took out rosberg.

I guess you can say some of Nico's moves do come back to bite him.

But let me just add here that surely there are times in the past Lewis has been over aggressive with Nico also, for sure

I made the same point higher up.
Both yesterday and in Barcelona the striking thing was that anyone asking the question of 'where exactly was Rosberg going?' Would receive the answer of '??????' just due to how far Rosberg was off the racing line. In both cases he was miles away from where he should have been even if he was in defensive mode.

[sosic2121]

@ GPR-A
you're right. Ferrari wasn't even close.
merc has huge power advantage over everyone so they can run much more DF, which also conserves their tires.
I believe they run their cars with just enough power to beat Ferrari/RB.
Only on maximum DF tracks RB and Ferrari can hope to win.
Of course, sometimes mercedes underestimated Ferrari like malesia 2015, although mercedes would have won if there was no SC. If you doubt just remember what was the gap on the next race.
So, no chance for Ferrari as long as we have these PUs

[RZS10]

Wasn't the yellow flag shown because of Rosberg?

[Jolle]

Wasn't the yellow flag shown because of Rosberg?

No, one of the FI's gone off in the sector after turn two

[Godius]

Max overtaking Ricciardo into turn 9
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