2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[Andres125sx]

Max overtaking Ricciardo into turn 9

https://twitter.com/roelfaasen/status/7 ... 7583988736

Thanks, didn´t see it in the race even when I watched it recorded and rewind looking for it. Impressive overtake

[Andres125sx]

just to lighten the thread up a little...

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=57EB597E

[Andres125sx]

What a race for Wehrlein! Congratulations

And a great race for Button too, it was surprising to see him holding back a Ferrari for several laps, even after DRS was enabled


Carlos did a great race too, despite his usual handicap with pitstops as STR always manage to do at least one very poor pitstop for Carlos per race, this time the slowest in the grid, 5.6 seconds slower (total time, can´t find exact pitsotp times) than next slowest, and 12.4 down the fastest. Even so he managed to recover positions overtaking on track (some very aggresive moves included) and finish 8th, great job.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/03/2 ... pit-stops/

I can´t get how STR is so consistent failing on Carlos pitstops, I´d say they do it on purpose if it would have some sense, but it has not. It´s hard to believe they mess it up so frequently.

[bonjon1979]

I dont want to go through 20 pages of fanboy ying-yang so can anybody tell me if the issue that Ham potentially passed under yellows was discussed here? I thought I had seen a yellow flag while watching but I couldnt really read anything about that.

Yellow flag board was in sight of Hamilton when he made the overtake but actual yellow flag sector begins immediately after the board not when it is in sight. Also if a car has a problem you can overtake anyway, this is why the others didn't get a penalty too.

[Vasconia]

What a race for Wehrlein! Congratulations

And a great race for Button too, it was surprising to see him holding back a Ferrari for several laps, even after DRS was enabled


Carlos did a great race too, despite his usual handicap with pitstops as STR always manage to do at least one very poor pitstop for Carlos per race, this time the slowest in the grid, 5.6 seconds slower (total time, can´t find exact pitsotp times) than next slowest, and 12.4 down the fastest. Even so he managed to recover positions overtaking on track (some very aggresive moves included) and finish 8th, great job.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/03/2 ... pit-stops/

I can´t get how STR is so consistent failing on Carlos pitstops, I´d say they do it on purpose if it would have some sense, but it has not. It´s hard to believe they mess it up so frequently.

I even dont know how he managed to do that after the first half of the race when he was quite behind. Great job.

His race skills has improved a lot during this season. Nice job.

[Jef Patat]

Don't know, 4 wheels of track, overcourageous move. Gaining advantage in the overtake and in the next corner?

[zac510]

Furthermore, if the tyres were predictable then that would be a bit boring We need a bit of randomness in a race, it's the equivalent of a sprinkling of rain.

I'm not sure exploding tyres equates to a sprinkling of rain

It is in the sense that it changes the environmental variables, forces teams to react to it, knocks a car or so out of the race (maybe giving a chance to a Manor/etc), forces drivers to react to the situation, etc.

(Not directed at you) it's all very well to wish for perfect tyres, perfect reliability, a dry race, no bashing of wheels etc but the truth is it's boring!

[strad]

Do we want to see a driver, who already pretty much lost the position, force a collision in a desperate attempt to regain an advantage? Is that the ethos of racing?

Well I would refer you to everyones hero, Ayrton Senna.

[Godius]

Max overtaking Ricciardo into turn 9

https://twitter.com/roelfaasen/status/7 ... 7583988736

looks like illegal overtake. all 4 wheels off the track

That's what I was thinking as well.

If it was a pass on an other driver than they probably would investigate it but Max already was in front of Ricciardo when he left the track. So in my opinion it's questionable whether it is legal or not.

[Nathanael F1]

I dont want to go through 20 pages of fanboy ying-yang so can anybody tell me if the issue that Ham potentially passed under yellows was discussed here? I thought I had seen a yellow flag while watching but I couldnt really read anything about that.

I was wondering the same thing.

The yellow flag was in sector 2, and Hamilton overtook on the approach to turn 3, which is in sector 2.

[simieski]

He did pass under yellows, there was a marshall waving a flag on the r/h side of the track. However due to damage Nico was travelling slow, in which case it's allowed to overtake under yellows.

[Jolle]

I dont want to go through 20 pages of fanboy ying-yang so can anybody tell me if the issue that Ham potentially passed under yellows was discussed here? I thought I had seen a yellow flag while watching but I couldnt really read anything about that.

I was wondering the same thing.

The yellow flag was in sector 2, and Hamilton overtook on the approach to turn 3, which is in sector 2.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... 60x469.png

A few simple things why he got away with that
1 he overtook before the first yellow board
2 the yellow was out for .5 seconds while he was overtaking
3 Rosberg's car was badly damaged, so damages that according to the stewards he should have retired the car and was striving obvious slowly because of the damage
4 he backed off significantly when spotting the yellow and gave a visual sign that he saw it.

The matter wasn't even under investigation.

[Andres125sx]

But, correct if I am wrong, Hamilton has not by my knowing deliberately start turning way after the apex...

Rosberg didn't turn away from the apex. Hamilton started his turn at a point that would allow him to take the ideal line through the corner

Sorry Bhall, but do you mean the ideal line of....


Then I can only disagree obviously, Hamilton only tried to take the last line he could before going of track, wich was several meters away from the ideal line. But Rosberg didn´t allow him any space at all, he just tried to push Lewis off track

Look through the early pages of this thread where people wanted Rosberg's head on a plate. I just don't think it was that serious is all.

I can agree on this point to some extent, but it´s still Rosberg´s fault, so he and his fans must accept criticism

I clarified that to say I'm neither defending Rosberg nor condemning Hamilton. --- happens.

Disagree, most people, including stewards after revising telemetry, said it´s Rosberg fault and he was even penalized because of that, while you keep repeating ´--- happens´ or...

It was a racing incident.

Since he was considered responsible and was penalized, saying this you´re actually defending Rosberg when you say it´s a racing incident. No it was not a racing incident, it was a collision caused by Nico Rosberg, and was penalized for that, so by definition, any incident where someone is found at fault cannot be considered a racing incident

[dans79]

Furthermore, if the tyres were predictable then that would be a bit boring We need a bit of randomness in a race, it's the equivalent of a sprinkling of rain.

I'm not sure exploding tyres equates to a sprinkling of rain

It is in the sense that it changes the environmental variables, forces teams to react to it, knocks a car or so out of the race (maybe giving a chance to a Manor/etc), forces drivers to react to the situation, etc.

(Not directed at you) it's all very well to wish for perfect tyres, perfect reliability, a dry race, no bashing of wheels etc but the truth is it's boring!

I have no issues with some randomness, but with the way points are awarded, and all the penalties for reliability and transmission changes etc, its starting to see more and more like a lottery than a contest of skill and engineering.

Points awarded should be on a linear scale. And in general I think all this reliability garbage is complete nonsense. Personally I prefer the days of qualifying engines and engines that barely made it through a race.

[Jolle]

I'm not sure exploding tyres equates to a sprinkling of rain

It is in the sense that it changes the environmental variables, forces teams to react to it, knocks a car or so out of the race (maybe giving a chance to a Manor/etc), forces drivers to react to the situation, etc.

(Not directed at you) it's all very well to wish for perfect tyres, perfect reliability, a dry race, no bashing of wheels etc but the truth is it's boring!

I have no issues with some randomness, but with the way points are awarded, and all the penalties for reliability and transmission changes etc, its starting to see more and more like a lottery than a contest of skill and engineering.

Points awarded should be on a linear scale. And in general I think all this reliability garbage is complete nonsense. Personally I prefer the days of qualifying engines and engines that barely made it through a race.

Those were the days indeed. But don't forget all the blown engines and gearboxes because it was so on the edge. Champion was the one with the least DNF's. They even changed the points for that (so you could scrap a few)