F1 tyre supplier Pirelli have completed their investigation into the reason of the tyre failure that caused a DNF for Sebastian Vettel at the most recent Austrian Grand Prix. The blown tyre forced the German to retire from the race while leading it.
Well, when you couple non linear points with the stupidness that is the current reliability rules, you get exactly what you are describing.PhillipM wrote: Then the guys hanging it all out have one mechanical failure and can never get it back. You end up with the guy who was third all season beating the guy who was 1st for every race bar the one he had a tyre explode at.
On the 70th lap that is exactly what the announcer on the NBC broadcast predicted Rosberg would do, crash both rather than let Lewis through, One minute later, crash.lebesset wrote:I think everyone is missing a point here ....everytime rosberg can equal hamiltons point score in a race ...2 DNF , in effect he wins due to hamilton's penalties to come , he is already on his last engine ; blocking hamilton , at whatever cost , is a winning move for him
Nico looks 100x worse from this angle.siskue2005 wrote:fan video of the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 4LZK5Ko0OU
Being Rosberg(theoretically) a colder guy he should have behaved in another way, just thinking that a second position was good. But I think he had taken for granted a victory in Austria before the weekend, because he has been tradionally faster than Lewis there.turbof1 wrote:Maybe brake earlier? Lift and coast? Yes, that means giving up on the position, but isn't that what you are supposed to do out of safety?strad wrote:If you have no brakes, as confirmed by the team, and you are traveling too fast to turn in for the apex, what are you to do?
Turn in any way and spin into Hamilton????
Turn in... is what exactly Lewis should have done in Spain too, rather than take to the grass. Had he stayed, even on the white line back then and allowed Nico to drive into him, the chances are that Nico would have got a rear puncture and no way to escape the criticism. Instead of taking the run off here in Austria, Lewis did the perfect thing to turn in, which was absolutely the right thing to do in that situation for any driver. Result, Nico got admonished. It's a shame that wasn't the case in Spain.GrizzleBoy wrote:Nico looks 100x worse from this angle.siskue2005 wrote:fan video of the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 4LZK5Ko0OU
There's no way to argue that he wasn't going to completely block from ever turning into the corner at all while on track.
If Lewis waited just one more second to turn in he'd already have been off track, before ever turning his steering wheel. "It took me completely by surprise when he turned". Okay. Completely ridiculous lol.
Couple this with his numerous, "my brakes were hot, but I was 100% in control" statements and I don't even know what to say.
How people are comparing Lewis' or any other drivers hard defending manoeuvres with this video game style dive bomb is impossible to fathom. Even when argument over "intent" is brought in.
It's just straight up terrible driving.
- Angle changes nothing, same incidentGrizzleBoy wrote:Nico looks 100x worse from this angle.siskue2005 wrote:fan video of the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 4LZK5Ko0OU
There's no way to argue that he wasn't going to completely block from ever turning into the corner at all while on track.
If Lewis waited just one more second to turn in he'd already have been off track, before ever turning his steering wheel. "It took me completely by surprise when he turned". Okay. Completely ridiculous lol.
Couple this with his numerous, "my brakes were hot, but I was 100% in control" statements and I don't even know what to say.
How people are comparing Lewis' or any other drivers hard defending manoeuvres with this video game style dive bomb is impossible to fathom. Even when argument over "intent" is brought in.
It's just straight up terrible driving.
) but at least don't lie and report reality fully:
"At the end of the second to last lap, Nico's brake-by-wire failed, so he had no electronic braking."
Your advise to "turn in" as idiotic as it isGPR-A wrote:It's just straight up terrible driving.Turn in... is what exactly Lewis should have done in Spain too, rather than take to the grass. Had he stayed, even on the white line back then and allowed Nico to drive into him, the chances are that Nico would have got a rear puncture and no way to escape the criticism. Instead of taking the run off here in Austria, Lewis did the perfect thing to turn in, which was absolutely the right thing to do in that situation for any driver. Result, Nico got admonished. It's a shame that wasn't the case in Spain.
is completely unnecessary, Hamilton did something equally bad, attempted stupid move with zero chance of success, went off, lost control, caused the crash and took them both out of the race losing Mercedes 1-2 and 43 points. It does not get worse than that.Spain “By continuing to let them race (each other) it was clear that eventually this could happen. And we will continue to let them race.”
Austria: "brainless" and this telling and contradicting part: "“In Barcelona I was much more at ease with it, because we had 30 races without collision. "From my naive thinking I thought to myself, ‘OK, they’ve learnt the lesson, seen what the consequences are and it’s not going to happen anymore’.
being best driver car combo at the moment tends to make you some fansLH44 wrote:I didn't know Nico Rosberg had so many supporters. Or maybe those who are empathetic towards him think that a spoiled, privileged person like him who never really cared passionately for anything; deserved to win, deserved to be privileged just like the way they think they are too.
He said the same thing in Austria and Spain - "this was my race win". He seems to think that being ahead is enough. In fairness, in many teams being ahead is enough but in Mercedes there is no "it's my race" until the chequered flag falls.Vasconia wrote:
Being Rosberg(theoretically) a colder guy he should have behaved in another way, just thinking that a second position was good. But I think he had taken for granted a victory in Austria before the weekend, because he has been tradionally faster than Lewis there.
How about reality supporters and fans of the sport? I suggest focusing on that. If that's the direction fine. The only ones worse than "he's Rosberg's fan blah, blah) are:sosic2121 wrote:being best driver car combo at the moment tends to make you some fansLH44 wrote:I didn't know Nico Rosberg had so many supporters. Or maybe those who are empathetic towards him think that a spoiled, privileged person like him who never really cared passionately for anything; deserved to win, deserved to be privileged just like the way they think they are too.
- No need, he turned, clear as Hamilton's collision in Spain (no penalty)Kiril Varbanov wrote:Has anyone posted their steering angles from telemetry? That would give us precise answer.
Looking at the bigger picture, Rosberg could have backed off a little, knowing he had brake issues, and be second, yet still retaining championship lead and great chances to win the war.
I really think that on normal conditions Austria could haven been for Nico. But after Saturday´s penaly no way. During the race he was benefited by a better strategy, though its fair to say that his pace was awesome(which confirms the idea that he as very fast here). Second should have been the final result, but he didnt react in the best way.Just_a_fan wrote:He said the same thing in Austria and Spain - "this was my race win". He seems to think that being ahead is enough. In fairness, in many teams being ahead is enough but in Mercedes there is no "it's my race" until the chequered flag falls.Vasconia wrote:
Being Rosberg(theoretically) a colder guy he should have behaved in another way, just thinking that a second position was good. But I think he had taken for granted a victory in Austria before the weekend, because he has been tradionally faster than Lewis there.
Maybe Mercedes will bring in "if you're ahead after the last stops then you stay ahead" rule. I hope not.
Yeah, I also said the exact thing back then and now again.GPR-A wrote:Turn in... is what exactly Lewis should have done in Spain too, rather than take to the grass. Had he stayed, even on the white line back then and allowed Nico to drive into him, the chances are that Nico would have got a rear puncture and no way to escape the criticism. Instead of taking the run off here in Austria, Lewis did the perfect thing to turn in, which was absolutely the right thing to do in that situation for any driver. Result, Nico got admonished. It's a shame that wasn't the case in Spain.
Thanks mate! I agree with everything you said. For me, the major issue is the safety. Vettel's post race brief was clearly that of someone who was being 'told what to say' while his outpour at Spa last year, was more himself. One of these days someone is going to pay a major price for this farce and then, these idiots will do something about it.Andres125sx wrote:Most interesting post I´ve read since the race was finishedSchuttelberg wrote:It took Bianchi's life to get the 'VSC' rule to come in (in regard to cranes on track) when the dubious practice was there for ages, I wonder if the same is being waited for in terms of these bubble gum tyres. It's just a bloody joke!!!
I´m not sure if we or F1 drivers are the frog inside the pot wondering if the water is too hot or not while temperature continue raising. Pirelli tires are, IMHO, a disgrace for F1. Yes I know they were asked to build tires with artificial wear, but they were not asked to build tires wich must be used with too high pressures slowing down the cars noticeably because they´re not safe enough at normal racing pressures, or tires wich explode when used too far without any indicator (pace drop) before.
I think it was DeLa Rosa in spanish TV who raised an interesting point, could high tire pressure teams are forced to use be a factor on those suspension failures? He didn´t go any futher, but it makes sense to me. Tires are part of the suspension after all, so increased tire pressures does actually affect cars suspensions. A higher tire pressure means the tire is more rigid so it is transmitting higher loads to the suspensions, I guess when suspensions were designed tire pressures were lower, so now the real load is higher than the proyected load. I know there are safety coeficients here and there, but this is F1, they´re not that high here, safety coeficients are a sinonym of useless weight from a pure engineering point of view, so keeping safety coeficients as low as posible is a must for F1 teams wich means they could be overpassed at some point like when they hit aggressive kebs with higher tire pressures
Anycase I wonder how current F1 would be with proper tires that don´t explode, that might be used to the limits for a decent percentage of their use, and can be used at normal pressures. Current F1 tires are a joke. Maybe F1 would not need new aero rules to improve cars pace and the show if tires would be performing as F1 tires should perform
