2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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GPR-A wrote:
TAG wrote:This is the baffling thing for me. Either Mercedes are pulling strings. Unlikely I know but... or that Mercedes time and time and time again are using a strategy built around Rosberg's abilities and discounting Lewis' abilities in their formula. Actually my thinking it this, but given Canada and Monaco and no one at Mercedes is saying, he let him go he can do it?

It's all starting to smell a bit odd.
Add to that, they haven't fixed the clutch problem yet, being a team that has resolved every single problem they have faced, immediately. Guess why? Because it is Lewis who is getting affected the most. Not to mention, the swap of mechanics at the beginning of the year.

Wow!!! :o :shock: :D

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Just_a_fan wrote:
A-Bap wrote: I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver. That his only crashes of late have been via a contretemp's with Lewis, perhaps that says more about Hamilton's aggressive style than Nico's.
It says more about Rosberg's inability to deal with a team mate who is just a better racer than him. Rosberg has no answer and is made to look second rate. And that hurts.

How anyone can say that the Austria crash was caused by Hamilton's "aggressive style" is a mystery. He was nowhere near Rosberg, had given him most of the track to drive on to the inside of him (the favourable line) and Rosberg still hit him. Rosberg just drove in to him.
Both were turning at the moment of truth. but, however it happened, Lewis turned into Nico.

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My 2 pence worth. Nico seems to be trying to outthink Lewis. He correctly guessed that Lewis will try the switch back, however he couldn't judge the best response to the move and hence the collision.
Another aspect which seems intresting is that after hearing Lewis mention multiple times that driver on the inside dictates the corner, Nico seems to have convinced himself that to be correct irrespective of the kind of corner or your position at the same. Nico kept repeating this as a fact in his interview that as a driver on inside he was dictating it.

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A-Bap wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
A-Bap wrote: I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver. That his only crashes of late have been via a contretemp's with Lewis, perhaps that says more about Hamilton's aggressive style than Nico's.
It says more about Rosberg's inability to deal with a team mate who is just a better racer than him. Rosberg has no answer and is made to look second rate. And that hurts.

How anyone can say that the Austria crash was caused by Hamilton's "aggressive style" is a mystery. He was nowhere near Rosberg, had given him most of the track to drive on to the inside of him (the favourable line) and Rosberg still hit him. Rosberg just drove in to him.
Both were turning at the moment of truth. but, however it happened, Lewis turned into Nico.
Nico divebombed into a car ahead of him.

If Lewis turned into Nico, he'd have driven into Nicos side.

Nico drove into Lewis' side.

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Great angle of the crash. Pause it at 0.09 for ultimate effect.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/04/f ... erg-clash/

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Vasconia wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
Thanks, tough one is still not enough. Hamilton has several ones.
List them.
Do yo deny that Hamilton has been quite hard with Rosberg several times, evein pushing him to the limits of the track?

List the ones that are the same as Austria, Spain or Bahrain...
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A-Bap wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
A-Bap wrote: I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver. That his only crashes of late have been via a contretemp's with Lewis, perhaps that says more about Hamilton's aggressive style than Nico's.
It says more about Rosberg's inability to deal with a team mate who is just a better racer than him. Rosberg has no answer and is made to look second rate. And that hurts.

How anyone can say that the Austria crash was caused by Hamilton's "aggressive style" is a mystery. He was nowhere near Rosberg, had given him most of the track to drive on to the inside of him (the favourable line) and Rosberg still hit him. Rosberg just drove in to him.
Both were turning at the moment of truth. but, however it happened, Lewis turned into Nico.
Wow. Just wow.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote: It says more about Rosberg's inability to deal with a team mate who is just a better racer than him. Rosberg has no answer and is made to look second rate. And that hurts.

How anyone can say that the Austria crash was caused by Hamilton's "aggressive style" is a mystery. He was nowhere near Rosberg, had given him most of the track to drive on to the inside of him (the favourable line) and Rosberg still hit him. Rosberg just drove in to him.
Both were turning at the moment of truth. but, however it happened, Lewis turned into Nico.
Wow. Just wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7CWYLMrCjg

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A-Bap wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
Both were turning at the moment of truth. but, however it happened, Lewis turned into Nico.
Wow. Just wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7CWYLMrCjg
Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
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TAG wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote: Wow. Just wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7CWYLMrCjg
Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.

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A-Bap wrote: He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
Rosberg almost had to park the car to keep it within the white lines, even with a collision bouncing him in the right direction and taking speed off him too.

If Lewis waited a second more to turn in, hed already have been off the track and Rosberg probably wouldve taken the corner even slower than he had to.
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A-Bap wrote:
TAG wrote:
Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
Hard to say a lot of things but Nico himself said his brakes were fine and he had full control of his car. You want to discuss facts the go right ahead but your opinion doesn't supersede reality no matter how much you believe it.

He did stay on track would that have been the case had he not turned the steering wheel another 45 degrees further? What was he waiting for?
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A-Bap wrote:
TAG wrote:
Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
The only reason he stayed on the track, is because he transferred a crap ton of energy to Lewis's car when he punted him, that's kind of how physics works!
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dans79 wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
krisfx wrote:
Rosberg's history of driving people off the circuit on straights is well documented and does not do him any favours when these things happen.
I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver.
What are you smoking? Whenever you put it down, go back and watch Bahrain 2012.
there is one situation from the past and it is his fault. how many situations like this Lewis has? he pushed rosberg of maybe 5 times in last 3 years. what about incidents with massa? and that crash into kimi raikkonen in pit? should be believe that he accidentally crashed into title contender and not into some other guy? lol
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