2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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A-Bap wrote:
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Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
There was no problem with his BBW system, it was quite clear that was just a lie to initially diffuse the situation.

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sosic2121 wrote:[
there is one situation from the past and it is his fault. how many situations like this Lewis has? he pushed rosberg of maybe 5 times in last 3 years. what about incidents with massa? and that crash into kimi raikkonen in pit? should be believe that he accidentally crashed into title contender and not into some other guy? lol
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You understand that their is a difference between the following scenarios right, at-least as far as the stewards & FIA are concerned?
  • squeezing a car out on corner exit
  • squeezing a car out on corner entry
  • squeezing a car out on on a strait
The first is allowed as long as you aren't overly ruthless, the last 2 are never allowed, unless their are extenuating circumstances. Additionally the car behind is pretty much never allowed to squeeze out the car in front.

Nico has done a lot of squeezing himself, so don't try and play it off like he is some how innocent, because he isn't.

2014 Canada, and 2016 Australia immediately come to mind, and I'm sure I've missed others.

The reason why any driver gets away with it, is because he was ahead and squeezed the other car out on corner exit.
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And that's because that's the natural racing line and line physics denotes the car needs to take to minimise forces, which is why it's acceptable. Neither of the other two scenarios are. Yet these are where we see Nico 'defending'

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That makes it fully clear that Nico was faaar from any reasonable racing line. I will never understand why he didn't turn in and squeezed Lewis on the exit of the turn as Lewis would have done in the same situation. That would have been:
a) legal
b) more effective
c) controllable by him.

With this approach he made himself a passenger in the move like he did in so many instances before.
It clearly shows Nico is driving way too emotionally against Lewis. He saw his chances of winning running away and tried to grab them at any cost.

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Nico's defending? " oh a car is trying to overtake me I best crowd it and then hit them putting everyone at risk...." But at least I'll be leading the championship. Isn't that right Toto, Niki? ( Toto )" Yes even though Nico said he had total control my data says his BBW was faulty"

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ClarkBT11 wrote:Isn't that right Toto, Niki? ( Toto )" Yes even though Nico said he had total control my data says his BBW was faulty"
I have to wonder why Nico is saying in interviews and facebook vlogs that he was fully in control after the team already tried to say his actions were due to failing BBW.

He's undermining their PR every time he does it. Is it an F-YOU of some kind? Because it makes the team, especially Toto look bad.

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henra wrote:
That makes it fully clear that Nico was faaar from any reasonable racing line. I will never understand why he didn't turn in and squeezed Lewis on the exit of the turn as Lewis would have done in the same situation. That would have been:
a) legal
b) more effective
c) controllable by him.

With this approach he made himself a passenger in the move like he did in so many instances before.
It clearly shows Nico is driving way too emotionally against Lewis. He saw his chances of winning running away and tried to grab them at any cost.
There is no regulation that requires a driver to take a reasonable racing line. Defending your position almost requires it.

The reason he did't turn is that he couldn't on account of his failed BBW system, which caused him to overshoot his target...he did intend to go deep, but the failure caused him to go too deep.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
A-Bap wrote: He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
Rosberg almost had to park the car to keep it within the white lines, even with a collision bouncing him in the right direction and taking speed off him too.

If Lewis waited a second more to turn in, hed already have been off the track and Rosberg probably wouldve taken the corner even slower than he had to.
Yes...and?

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Diesel wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
TAG wrote: Pretend Lewis' car didn't exist. Would Nico have made that turn without going off track?
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
There was no problem with his BBW system, it was quite clear that was just a lie to initially diffuse the situation.
Sorry, Diesel, but it's not all all clear to me that it's a lie. To say that it is a lie is pure conjecture.

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A-Bap wrote:
krisfx wrote:
sosic2121 wrote: even if hamilton shoot rosberg with a gun, some people would say it's Rosberg’s fault
Rosberg's history of driving people off the circuit on straights is well documented and does not do him any favours when these things happen.
I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver. That his only crashes of late have been via a contretemp's with Lewis, perhaps that says more about Hamilton's aggressive style than Nico's.
In this very thread someone has shown video evidence of Rosberg trying to drive Hamilton whilst in a McClaren and Alonso whilst in a Ferrari off the road in the same race. In both instances is was VERY similar to what happened in Barcelona.
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A-Bap wrote: Sorry, Diesel, but it's not all all clear to me that it's a lie. To say that it is a lie is pure conjecture.
Lauda & Toto says he had a break by wire issue. Nico is adamant he was in complete control.

These two pr lines don't jive with each other, even a child can tell someone is lying!
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A-Bap wrote:
Diesel wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
Hard to say. If his BBW system was sound, there is an excellent chance the collision would not have happended, so I would say yes might have in fact stayed on the track. He did in fact stay on the track, BTW.
There was no problem with his BBW system, it was quite clear that was just a lie to initially diffuse the situation.
Sorry, Diesel, but it's not all all clear to me that it's a lie. To say that it is a lie is pure conjecture.
Merc statements are that he had a BBW failure. Rosberg said he was in complete control.
You can decide who is right.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
ClarkBT11 wrote:Isn't that right Toto, Niki? ( Toto )" Yes even though Nico said he had total control my data says his BBW was faulty"
I have to wonder why Nico is saying in interviews and facebook vlogs that he was fully in control after the team already tried to say his actions were due to failing BBW.

He's undermining their PR every time he does it. Is it an F-YOU of some kind? Because it makes the team, especially Toto look bad.
Maybe Nico is telling the truth there was no sign of lock up's he thought he could push Hamilton wide on entry to the corner instead he should of on the exit.

I don't believe anything coming from Mercedes anymore everytime one driver is hampered there's always a fault or the same fault on both cars.

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sosic2121 wrote:
dans79 wrote:
A-Bap wrote:
I strongly disagree. With the exception of his tie-ups with Hamilton, Rosberg is a very clean driver.
What are you smoking? Whenever you put it down, go back and watch Bahrain 2012.
there is one situation from the past and it is his fault. how many situations like this Lewis has? he pushed rosberg of maybe 5 times in last 3 years. what about incidents with massa? and that crash into kimi raikkonen in pit? should be believe that he accidentally crashed into title contender and not into some other guy? lol
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You do realise Rosberg slammed into the back of Hamilton in that very pit lane accident! Nico even took a swipe at Lewis that day!!
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dans79 wrote:
A-Bap wrote: Sorry, Diesel, but it's not all all clear to me that it's a lie. To say that it is a lie is pure conjecture.
Lauda & Toto says he had a break by wire issue. Nico is adamant he was in complete control.

These two pr lines don't jive with each other, even a child can tell someone is lying!
Until proof that someone is lying, I am going to use common sense. Both can be true.