Halo aerodynamic solutions

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jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:18
"the legs" of the HALO have different shape, looks like Sauber has it flattened

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

Mclaren & Force India have tubular legs, but Mclaren add some aero fins

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg
Looking at the pictures I donโ€™t see any quick release mechanism for the Halo. Is there any? Without it looks very hard for marshals to tend the driver and extract him with the Hans system.

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turbof1 wrote: โ†‘
28 Nov 2017, 12:35
Looks like a solution to either keep the airbox sufficiently fed with air, or to keep airflow going rearwards attached on the bodywork.
Renault seem to agree with you.

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marmer wrote: โ†‘
28 Nov 2017, 13:01
Would the halo be better if the middle bar went up to the air box instead of down the nose.
Wouldn't affect vision that way and a wheel is unlikely to land perfectly side on to slot in the gap while the head would gain even more protect.
Driver could then crawl out via the front and sides if it was upturned.
Decent idea. The halo's main purpose is to deflect wheels so your "arch" might need a redesign to increase protection from that. But i like the concept tho.
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Edax wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:59
jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:18
"the legs" of the HALO have different shape, looks like Sauber has it flattened

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

Mclaren & Force India have tubular legs, but Mclaren add some aero fins

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg
Looking at the pictures I donโ€™t see any quick release mechanism for the Halo. Is there any? Without it looks very hard for marshals to tend the driver and extract him with the Hans system.
also impossible to quick release when they crashed and the car flipped upside down :?: :|
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NathanOlder wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 00:21
@Manoah2u

Dont flash pictures like that around without warning!! I nearly threw up!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for the negative rater, why not just message me and tell me that you dont agree with what i say. Instead of hiding behind the rating system.
there are some negative voting snipers out here. regularly i see votes that make no sense at all, and i'm not talking about downvotes to me, but to a great variety of posters here.

also, imagine those noses, and then adding to that the halo, AND the sharkfin WITH razorblade T-wings. AND this:

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and then imagine that during testing, with the fences, the R/C type super antenna's on top, etc. :mrgreen:

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Edax
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jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 08:24
Edax wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:59
jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:18
"the legs" of the HALO have different shape, looks like Sauber has it flattened

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

Mclaren & Force India have tubular legs, but Mclaren add some aero fins

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg
Looking at the pictures I donโ€™t see any quick release mechanism for the Halo. Is there any? Without it looks very hard for marshals to tend the driver and extract him with the Hans system.
also impossible to quick release when they crashed and the car flipped upside down :?: :|
Overturned cars and the need to get out fast have been mentioned a lot in reference to the halo and cockpits, and it seemed to have played a large role in the design. Is it really that important nowadays?

Surely cars flip no less than in the past. But the chances that you end up in a fireball or on the bottom of a harbor are a lot lower. So I donโ€™t see the need to be able to get out fast as urgent as it was in the days the drivers were strapped inbetween two non-sealing fueltanks, and the nearest extinguisher could be 1/2 hour away.

If the solution is not elegant then the problem is usually stated wrongly. The escape time is IMO what overconstrains this thing, and I wonder what the solution space would be opened up if we dropped that requierement and kept to the basic functions.

Protect from intrusion of debris in the cockpit.
Protecting arms and hands in rolls
Providing a quick acess possibility for the responders to do basic stabilization tasks.

I suspect that would open up much more aesthetically pleasing and aero neutral solutions without compromising on safety.

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RZS10
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afaik the halo is a standard part so differences in looks might be down to different versions/evolutions of the halo (?)

they have built specific 'sheers' similar to those that firemen use to get people out of mangled cars to cut through the halo in order to remove it if they have to

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jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 08:24
Edax wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:59
jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:18
"the legs" of the HALO have different shape, looks like Sauber has it flattened

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

Mclaren & Force India have tubular legs, but Mclaren add some aero fins

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg
Looking at the pictures I donโ€™t see any quick release mechanism for the Halo. Is there any? Without it looks very hard for marshals to tend the driver and extract him with the Hans system.
also impossible to quick release when they crashed and the car flipped upside down :?: :|
Supposedly standard procedure is to flip the car back over and then extract the driver. So halo removal may not be a problem.

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jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 08:24
Edax wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:59
jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
29 Nov 2017, 01:18
"the legs" of the HALO have different shape, looks like Sauber has it flattened

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

Mclaren & Force India have tubular legs, but Mclaren add some aero fins

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/ ... _HiRes.jpg
Looking at the pictures I donโ€™t see any quick release mechanism for the Halo. Is there any? Without it looks very hard for marshals to tend the driver and extract him with the Hans system.
also impossible to quick release when they crashed and the car flipped upside down :?: :|
Also impossible because there is no quick release and unnecessary because tests have shown that there is actually more room when flipped over with halo then without.

roon
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FIA said they're investigating quick-release for trackside removal.

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Most accident involving more than a flying tire .... what if it is cracked or broken? drivers could be trapped inside, or, the worst, it could be a deadly spear

large bodywork could be stuck within the cockpit, possibly blocked the driver sight

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a crash like this could broke the Halo

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graham.reeds
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jagunx51 wrote: โ†‘
30 Nov 2017, 01:39
Most accident involving more than a flying tire .... what if it is cracked or broken? drivers could be trapped inside, or, the worst, it could be a deadly spear

large bodywork could be stuck within the cockpit, possibly blocked the driver sight

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/c ... ze=640x420


a crash like this could broke the Halo

http://s2.dmcdn.net/LSsy/x240-fzA.jpg
http://www.aerodynamicsproject.com/uplo ... 6305b8.jpg
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/1 ... allery.jpg
http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploa ... n-GP-7.jpg
https://rtrsports.co.uk/wp-content/uplo ... dianGP.png
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 12682b.jpg
https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/static/img ... 9/s1_1.jpg

indy crash
http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.c ... ?ve=1&tl=1
I can't work out if you are for or against the halo?

It won't stop all things (heave springs ala Massa) but it will for larger objects (specifically tyres).

If it suffers too much force from an impact then it will break - like anything will - but in breaking it will reduce the energy that the object has.

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graham.reeds wrote: โ†‘
30 Nov 2017, 04:06

I can't work out if you are for or against the halo?

It won't stop all things (heave springs ala Massa) but it will for larger objects (specifically tyres).

If it suffers too much force from an impact then it will break - like anything will - but in breaking it will reduce the energy that the object has.
I prefer aeroscreen, it will broke too, but in small debris like a car window .....Halo is solid, it will reduce the impact force, but if it broke, that is another problem ..... just remember a broken steering column in 1994 crash
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