2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

[BwajSF]

now that they are coming under real pressure they are pushing the limits more and cracking..

Er, no. They have a possible quality issue with PU2. Not a technical issue, a quality issue. Now, that might be that they think the quality issue increases the risk of something failing so they're giving themselves time to sort it out.

People cracking under pressure don't react in a calm and considered way like this. They flail about aimlessly. They sack people and reorganise - a bit like Ferrari has done in the past, in fact.

The real talking point here is that Mercedes are confident enough that the PU1 units will all be able to do an extra event over and above the expected "life" of the units.

Accepted because the way monaco happen.. looked like they were saving engines and tyres the whole time so every engine in the top teams are saved from one race less of stress

[BwajSF]

even Mercedes can have some problems.

Mercs are not chariots of Gods.. they are also just a team which managed to do the best turbo engines and run away till last year with sufficient advantage in the front.. and always had thier engines turned down half way down the race.. now that they are coming under real pressure they are pushing the limits more and cracking..

its not "Even Mercs".. its juts Mercs....

There should be a crash course for newbees on this forum. "Understanding Competitive Landscape: A historic perspective". Or maybe "How you can't win championships with just a good engine : A Williams Perspective".

I suggest you look at how fragile the engines were in 2014 and where were in 2016 and where they are in 2018.

Come on... U just cant ignore facts.. Mercs and Williams are not the same. With Mercs Resources they are supposed to build a decent car with decent aero.. and over all.. it was the power unit which is to be credited more for most of the victories around the Calender.. If thier car and chassis was that good why be so vulnerable in less power sensitive circuits like Hungary, Monaco and Singapoure..

U accept it or not .. The power Unit they did a awesome job and deserve all credit for it.. the car they did okay job .. I believe its time u take those crash courses.. seems like things are fading off pops....due to age lately..

[aral]

Come on guys! This thread is about the Canadian GP, and is not a dedicated Max Verstappen bashing thread. A large number of off topic posts have been removed as they had nothing to do with the GP.
Please stay on topic.

[turbof1]

Where are all the mods? Why has the racing thread become Red Bull driver discussion and bashing forum?

Why are Oreos round? Why is Red Bull not part of Coca Cola?

We aren't omni-viewing beings that are constantly on the site. As you can see posts have been removed now.

So for the record: RBR team talk belongs in their team thread unless it has to do with this race specifically.

[J.A.W.]

Where are all the mods? Why has the racing thread become Red Bull driver discussion and bashing forum?

Seems.. T-F1.. you missed one... ^^^^^^

& anyone care to predict a race outcome for bad-as Max - given he's apparently 'running in the red' - already?

[ThumbsUp]

I think he will qualify 3rd and finish the race 2nd

Qualifying:
1 Lewis
2 Bottas
3 Max

Race:
1 Lewis
2 Max
3 Ricciardo

Based on gut feelings! Will wait and see what happens in practices

[AJI]

I think he will qualify 3rd and finish the race 2nd

Qualifying:
1 Lewis
2 Bottas
3 Max

Race:
1 Lewis
2 Max
3 Ricciardo

Based on gut feelings! Will wait and see what happens in practices

I'll take that action.

Q
Seb, Kimi, Dan

Race
Dan, Kimi, Lewis and 7 DNF's

[djones]

No way will Redbull do well here. Mercedes domination is my gut feeling, even with an old and tired engine.

Q = Ham, Bot, Vet

R = Ham, Bot, Rai

* Vet DNF

[Blackoutjulian]

No way will Redbull do well here. Mercedes domination is my gut feeling, even with an old and tired engine.

Q = Ham, Bot, Vet

R = Ham, Bot, Rai

* Vet DNF

So you essentially want the Championship to be over by round 7...
Applaus to you

[djones]

What I want and what will realistically happen are two different things

[AJI]

No way will Redbull do well here. Mercedes domination is my gut feeling, even with an old and tired engine.

Q = Ham, Bot, Vet

R = Ham, Bot, Rai

* Vet DNF

No chance. Mercedes will have a DNF at this race.
Gasly 4th

[Big Mangalhit]

1 Ericson
2 Stroll
3 Sirotkin

17 DNF

[BrunoH]

lets see how Honda upgrades face against the Renault.. very curious

[F1Krof]

I think he will qualify 3rd and finish the race 2nd

Qualifying:
1 Lewis
2 Bottas
3 Max

Race:
1 Lewis
2 Max
3 Ricciardo

Based on gut feelings! Will wait and see what happens in practices

Nah, I don't agree.

It's a Ferrari ground, long straights and good traction out of the corners. Also the breaking is very crucial which I believe Ferrari is better at than Merc, and it's bumpy as hell which Ferrari seems to have the smoothest ride of all. Add that the engine upgrade that Ferrari are bringing and Merc is not... you have totally different picture.
My bet:
1. Vet/Rai 0.350 faster
3. Ham/Bot/Ver/Ric ---> very close.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Come on... U just cant ignore facts.. Mercs and Williams are not the same. With Mercs Resources they are supposed to build a decent car with decent aero.. and over all.. it was the power unit which is to be credited more for most of the victories around the Calender.. If thier car and chassis was that good why be so vulnerable in less power sensitive circuits like Hungary, Monaco and Singapoure..

Pay attention to spelling kid.

Here is why I asked for a crash course for new bees.

Link -> MERCEDES CAR NOT DESIGNED FOR SINGAPORE CLAIMS LOWE

This is Mercedes' car design philosophy.

“The aero characteristics of our car is for efficiency,” Lowe said, “so that’s maximum downforce with as little drag as possible. That is why we are so strong on circuits like Suzuka and Spa.

“And that’s why we find tracks where only maximum downforce is required more difficult,” he added, explaining that because Red Bull for instance is down on power, they have a completely different approach to car design.

Lowe said Mercedes’ designers divide the 19 current circuits into 3 categories: street tracks Monaco and Singapore, high-speed tracks Spa and Monza, and ‘the rest’.

“We have optimised our car for the rest,” he revealed, adding that the second priority is the fastest tracks.

“Since wind tunnel time is limited, you have to decide where you put your priorities,” said Lowe, who thinks Mercedes also made setup mistakes in Singapore.

“Singapore was also our weakest circuit last year,” he recalled.

I believe its time u take those crash courses.. seems like things are fading off pops....due to age lately..

Hope mommy is doing fine. Tell her, I am missing the fun.