2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

[djones]

Is 2 stops guaranteed, they can’t do US - SS ?

[Bill_Kar]

LH and Merc certainly look good. But I don't buy the RBR-Fer scrap thing. I think it'll be a good fight between the usual suspects.

[Sevach]

Is 2 stops guaranteed, they can’t do US - SS ?

Sure they can.

[F1Krof]

Guys, this can't be right! Right? (Sourse: f1.com)

Long-run pace deficit (seconds per lap)

1. Mercedes

2. Red Bull +0.6 s/lap

3. Ferrari +1 s/lap

4. Force India +1.4 s/lap

5. McLaren +1.5 s/lap

6. Renault +1.6 s/lap

7. Toro Rosso +1.7 s/lap

8. Haas +1.7 s/lap

9. Sauber +1.8 s/lap

10. Williams +2.3 s/lap

[siskue2005]

Now that you've brought that to my attention that's really wound me up, I knew we they were biased to RB but it's shockingly obvious now

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well the difference is Max is clearly faster than his future WDC teammate, whereas Stroll couldnt even beat a driver who came back from retirement

His performance is another topic, I personally am okay with him, but it's double standards to use the "he's young" card for Max while ignoring it for Lance, who is only in his 2nd year and is driving an extremely difficult car, perhaps worse than last year. Oh and Lance is younger than Max as well.

Well his performance is indeed the topic, it is the reason why they are saying this. If stroll was steller then his mistakes will be glossed over like what Max has. Everyone wants to see a young fast driver - who is occasionally prone to mistakes and eventually become one of the greatest driver (we have precedents for such drivers in the past - eg; Senna, Schumy, Mika, Vettel, Lewis, Alonso, Nico etc).....Nobody wants to see a slow driver, making mistakes and claim he will reform (which sadly wont happen)

[f1316]

Guys, this can't be right! Right? (Sourse: f1.com)

Long-run pace deficit (seconds per lap)

1. Mercedes

2. Red Bull +0.6 s/lap

3. Ferrari +1 s/lap

4. Force India +1.4 s/lap

5. McLaren +1.5 s/lap

6. Renault +1.6 s/lap

7. Toro Rosso +1.7 s/lap

8. Haas +1.7 s/lap

9. Sauber +1.8 s/lap

10. Williams +2.3 s/lap

James Allen says:

“Intriguingly, the average pace of the four drivers from the ‘top six’ to set longer-run lap times (Verstappen, Raikkonen, Hamilton and Bottas) was relatively similar. Their lap times in the mid-1:16’s suggest that there is an advantage to starting on a harder compound, if a team is able to successfully negotiate qualifying with it.”

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/06/ ... s-trouble/


I think they’re all going to try and do Q2 on the supersoft - the ultra doesn’t really look any faster imo and SS will last much longer.

The X factor for me is more whether they want ultras after that, as they really don’t look that great; are two stints on the hyper actually better than one on the ultra?

[F1Krof]

This explains a lot though. Ferrari strolling on low power mode. They must be sandbagging.

[siskue2005]

This explains a lot though. Ferrari strolling on low power mode. They must be sandbagging.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfO53ewWkAEBFVu.jpg:large

yes they do that all friday, and also to consider Merc and Redbull also might be on similar power mods

[LM10]

I think they’re all going to try and do Q2 on the supersoft - the ultra doesn’t really look any faster imo and SS will last much longer.

The X factor for me is more whether they want ultras after that, as they really don’t look that great; are two stints on the hyper actually better than one on the ultra?

Pirelli says that HS-HS-US is fastest. (I know this doesn't really answers your question though. )

[johnny vee]

I think they’re all going to try and do Q2 on the supersoft - the ultra doesn’t really look any faster imo and SS will last much longer.

The X factor for me is more whether they want ultras after that, as they really don’t look that great; are two stints on the hyper actually better than one on the ultra?

Pirelli says that HS-HS-US is fastest. (I know this doesn't really answers your question though. )

Would Mercedes go for the single stop SS-US or equally US-SS?
I would love to see a HS-SS-HS two stopper from Redbull.

[vehicledynamics]

Guys, this can't be right! Right? (Sourse: f1.com)

Long-run pace deficit (seconds per lap)

1. Mercedes

2. Red Bull +0.6 s/lap

3. Ferrari +1 s/lap

4. Force India +1.4 s/lap

5. McLaren +1.5 s/lap

6. Renault +1.6 s/lap

7. Toro Rosso +1.7 s/lap

8. Haas +1.7 s/lap

9. Sauber +1.8 s/lap

10. Williams +2.3 s/lap

In my opinion that is very nice to plot and play with, but anyone here (included me) knows fuel tank values and mapping configurations.

So for me, it is a little bit "dangerous" made estimations of Free Practice long run paces just looking at the laptimes.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

FP2 times compared with Race times for four GPs, between Vettel and Hamilton. Make your own conclusions regarding who is turning down in FP2 and who isn't, who is carrying what fuel loads. (All times from FIA site).

[djones]

I think any hope of the Mercedes (and its at minimum 0.4 seconds a lap advantage in race pace on both harder compounds) only being that far ahead because of running a higher engine mode is wishful thinking.

If anybody is running low engine modes its Mercedes as they are on what is now a 7 race old engine.

Sure Ferrari is running low modes too. But Mercedes are certainly not running anything BUT low modes so far.

[LM10]

Ferrari's pace deficit yesterday was surely not due to low engine modes only. Vettel told that they were struggling to understand everything they wanted to and were trying out various things. In Vettel's case, the setup work was delayed because they needed to change a damaged front wishbone on his car. He was not happy yet.
On the other hand, Mercedes was spot on already from FP1 and even more in FP2. Both drivers were happy with the car.

[Fulcrum]

Here's my analysis of the FP2|Race data.

• I took the times from the second column of FP2 for both drivers.

• I excluded in laps, out laps, 1 outlier slow lap for both drivers, and any instance clearly disparate from the surrounding datapoints.

• I compared this with the initial race pace of each driver.

• Initial race pace referring to complete laps conducted at race pace.

• This would naturally exclude Starting laps, Safety car laps, and in the case of Azerbaijan the initial 8 laps, as times seemed to quicken significantly lap-after-lap at the beginning. Possibly related to a very dirty track to begin with.

The data suggest Ferrari and Mercedes both ran the latter half of FP2 at close to starting race pace, China being the exception, where Vettel was much faster in race conditions, Hamilton slower.

China: Vettel Practice: 99.6 Race: 98.7
Bahrain: Vettel Practice: 95.8 Race: 95.9
Spain: Vettel Practice: 82.6 Race: 82.4
Azerbaijan: Vettel Practice: 107.0 Race: 106.9

China: Hamilton Practice: 98.8 Race: 99.4
Bahrain: Hamilton Practice: 96.2 Race: 96.1
Spain: Hamilton Practice: 81.8 Race: 81.6
Azerbaijan: Hamilton Practice: 107.2 Race: 107.3