2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

[ThumbsUp]

He committed mistakes in Q1 and Q2, even with ultras. I don't really buy the HS thing. I think Hamilton wasn't in the car mentally. You can't just lock up the tires 3 times at the same corner.

Could be! Every time Lewis can break some record he fails on the first attempt. Like beating Senna’s pole record.

And isn’t it this time that he could beat Micheal Schumacher’s record for most poles on this track? Not sure if he could be square or have one more then MS.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Congratulations to Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel. New PU versus a 6 race old Mercedes PU and they manage to put their car on Pole by 0.093 seconds! It's almost as if they're down on power. Let's pretend nothing happened and hit the reset button on the season. I believe we've got the answers we were looking for.

Also, against a car that has digestive disharmony with the HyperSoft tyre. I can't imagine if the softest tyre available for this race was just UltraSoft!

[Bill_Kar]

It could be, yes, but we don't know, like you told. So I don't understand why this arrogant comment of TAG has to be? Also (in an indirect way) accusing Ferrari of having cheated. That's just unnecessary.

In fact, Ferrari has done a very nice job from yesterday to today. In FP1 and FP2 they clearly and also reportedly were struggling with setup. Mercedes was on top of their car from beginning. You can argue this being an advantage going into FP3 and Qualifying.

I don't know about the cheating and I can't say anything on this, but still is impressive that an old old-spec Merc is doing a great job against a new-spec Fer engine, can't argue on that.

About Ferrari it's tradition now! They seem nowhere in one-lap pace on Friday, but they always turn up on Q. Kudos to them.
Let's see though if the struggle is real, pace-wise.

[TAG]

It could be, yes, but we don't know, like you told. So I don't understand why this arrogant comment of TAG has to be? Also (in an indirect way) accusing Ferrari of having cheated. That's just unnecessary.

Can't help you man, you can rationalize things all you want, you don't like the commentary, fine but you don't have say it's arrogant. People see what they want to see. Clearly you're looking at things with rose colored glasses. Forza Ferrari. Let's enjoy tomorrow race shall we?

[Bill_Kar]

He committed mistakes in Q1 and Q2, even with ultras. I don't really buy the HS thing. I think Hamilton wasn't in the car mentally. You can't just lock up the tires 3 times at the same corner.

Could be! Every time Lewis can break some record he fails on the first attempt. Like beating Senna’s pole record.

And isn’t it this time that he could beat Micheal Schumacher’s record for most poles on this track? Not sure if he could be square or have one more then MS.

Yes he was square on 6 poles, it would be his 7th. Buuuut..

[NathanOlder]

Stupid TV coverage, they didn't show how Hamilton passed Kimi when he slowed down in the last lap after his fail. Was there any interference or was it clean?
Why do TV coverage show stupid things instead of obvious interesting areas?

I wanted to see that as well, but this sort of coverage seems to be as old as time and honestly I'd say it's only going to get worse with the weird haphazard way Liberty is doing things.

It was shown live on skysports. I thought they used they all used the main FOM coverage. Where were you guys watching it ? And what did you see instead?

[ThumbsUp]

He committed mistakes in Q1 and Q2, even with ultras. I don't really buy the HS thing. I think Hamilton wasn't in the car mentally. You can't just lock up the tires 3 times at the same corner.

Could be! Every time Lewis can break some record he fails on the first attempt. Like beating Senna’s pole record.

And isn’t it this time that he could beat Micheal Schumacher’s record for most poles on this track? Not sure if he could be square or have one more then MS.

Yes he was square on 6 poles, it would be his 7th. Buuuut..

Well I do hope he can turn it around in the race and can fight for victory. Gonna be an interesting race tomorrow.

[LM10]

It could be, yes, but we don't know, like you told. So I don't understand why this arrogant comment of TAG has to be? Also (in an indirect way) accusing Ferrari of having cheated. That's just unnecessary.

Can't help you man, you can rationalize things all you want, you don't like the commentary, fine but you don't have say it's arrogant. People see what they want to see. Clearly you're looking at things with rose colored glasses. Forza Ferrari. Let's enjoy tomorrow race shall we?

Just curious: How big should have been the gap between Ferrari with the updated engine (gain of just about 10 hp) and Mercedes for you not to talk like you do right now? Vettel told that he in fact had a mistake in his last run which cost him time. He told he should have been faster.
Let's say 2 tenths difference. Would this have been enough in your opinion to not tell that Ferrari was down on power?

[Bill_Kar]

Could be! Every time Lewis can break some record he fails on the first attempt. Like beating Senna’s pole record.

And isn’t it this time that he could beat Micheal Schumacher’s record for most poles on this track? Not sure if he could be square or have one more then MS.

Yes he was square on 6 poles, it would be his 7th. Buuuut..

Well I do hope he can turn it around in the race and can fight for victory. Gonna be an interesting race tomorrow.

Definitely, things are lining up for an exciting race. My gut feeling says though that LH will pay for today ,ie not race win. Let's see.

[MtthsMlw]

[Mansell89]

Anyone fancy Max for the win here?

Lewis seemed to struggle a little in the heavy braking zone going in and then accelerating out, plus he had the little lock up on race tyres so he’s on the back foot.

Ferrari look solid but I thought Max’s time was astonishing given the couple of tenths that his PU costs him around here. That will be even less in the race and if the lad gets a clean start he can be a factor. His car has been so smooth and that has to count for something on tyres and long pace. Even Danny Ricc got much closer (less than 4 tenths!) and he’s struggled to get comfortable this weekend. The race really should be close and no room for error.

[atanatizante]

I am waiting for to hear the problem on Lewis' car! I do not believe it!

Had there is an issue with his car its a suspension change in FP3 after the first run on HS ...
Nonetheless, even in that session, he was the fastest driver in a short 8 laps race sim, increasing his delta to Bottas from 3-4 in FP2 to 5-6 tenths now ...

For the race, I could see a repeat of China race, with Ferrari and Merc doing a 1 stop strategy and RB opting for a 2 stop race but this time around without success, cuz their and Ferrari`s pace is inferior to Mercs one ...

Now for the start, I must disappoint those who think Max will be wise and stay away from a collision with Seb, who by the way couldn`t afford to have a crash. Why so? Cuz his epinephrine level is so high at the start that he just stop thinking and just being driven by the high-speed phenomenon if you know what I mean ...

With Seb or Max needing to pit for a spare change, then it`ll be a race between Hamilton and Bottas with the first prevailing for having a superior race pace ...

[awizul]

Anyone fancy Max for the win here?

Lewis seemed to struggle a little in the heavy braking zone going in and then accelerating out, plus he had the little lock up on race tyres so he’s on the back foot.

Ferrari look solid but I thought Max’s time was astonishing given the couple of tenths that his PU costs him around here. That will be even less in the race and if the lad gets a clean start he can be a factor. His car has been so smooth and that has to count for something on tyres and long pace. Even Danny Ricc got much closer (less than 4 tenths!) and he’s struggled to get comfortable this weekend. The race really should be close and no room for error.

i'd love too after all the critics since Monaco, however i reckon it'll up to the first corner, if he went through it cleanly he'll have half a chance already

[Jolle]

Anyone fancy Max for the win here?

Lewis seemed to struggle a little in the heavy braking zone going in and then accelerating out, plus he had the little lock up on race tyres so he’s on the back foot.

Ferrari look solid but I thought Max’s time was astonishing given the couple of tenths that his PU costs him around here. That will be even less in the race and if the lad gets a clean start he can be a factor. His car has been so smooth and that has to count for something on tyres and long pace. Even Danny Ricc got much closer (less than 4 tenths!) and he’s struggled to get comfortable this weekend. The race really should be close and no room for error.

i'd love too after all the critics since Monaco, however i reckon it'll up to the first corner, if he went through it cleanly he'll have half a chance already

VER and RIC will need to be in full attack mode the first few laps, including risks because of their tire choice.

Just fall in line and wait is not an option, then they will be 5th and 6th.

[Wynters]

Just curious: How big should have been the gap between Ferrari with the updated engine (gain of just about 10 hp) and Mercedes for you not to talk like you do right now? Vettel told that he in fact had a mistake in his last run which cost him time. He told he should have been faster.
Let's say 2 tenths difference. Would this have been enough in your opinion to not tell that Ferrari was down on power?

New engine should be at least 1/10th faster than the Australia performance of the initial version (which even in Baku could outdrag a Mercedes getting an extra tow). The Mercedes engine has 6 races under its belt, including those where it was turned up several times to clear traffic and chase leaders so... end of life engine vs cutting edge iteration of a better engine? Half a second?

You'd hope it'd be that much, given all the money spent on PU development and the amount of complaints about this being an engine formula of the past few years.

I'd also be careful arguing that 'really, Ferrari should've been even faster because Vettel said so'. What's the time difference between Bottas and Hamilton usually? If Hamilton had been 'on it' today, what would Merc's maximum pace have been? Faster than Bottas? How much by? A tenth? Two? Makes him faster than Ferrari...with an exhausted engine.