2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

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Lewis locked up on both his Q3 runs, that’s what caused him not to be on pole. New engine would have possibly saved his arse but they don’t have it yet.

Too bad for Lewis but why should he always be on pole, even If he is not mistake free. He starts from P4 and If the FP pace was genuine he still has a good chance to win the race, overtaking is possible here (though tough).

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GPA-R, of course it's not, but people here tell that 6 races is equal to a time loss of easily 0.5 seconds. Ferrari's engine was worn half of that last year. If 0.5 seconds was right, the 0.25 sec difference between Vettel and Hamilton in Q3 must have been only because of different engine ages. But I highly doubt that. Mercedes should have easily gotten pole with at least 0.25 sec gap even if Ferrari had been on a new spec too.
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Kimi has the old spec still doesn’t,t he? And he was very close until the error in the second Q3 run.

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Why ist everybody Picking ob that Qualifying pace? Ferrari has Pole. Maybe the 10hp more don't affect the Party Mode, but can be used for the whole race? I also don't think the Mercedes 8000km power loss is a Problem for one lap.

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According to Mercedes:


- There is a 0.050s deficit between a fresh SPEC1 PU and the one they used today


- Both drivers had access to all the engine modes (Party Mode @ Q2/Q3)


- The new PU (SPEC2) will provide a 0.100s improvement
So all you pessimistic Fans can calm down.
There is no real difference between an old and a new engine. You also saw that last year in Baku where Seb also had to use a 7 race old engine.

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LM10 wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 11:46
GPA-R, of course it's not, but people here tell that 6 races is equal to a time loss of easily 0.5 seconds. Ferrari's engine was worn half of that last year. If 0.5 seconds was right, the 0.25 sec difference between Vettel and Hamilton in Q3 must have been only because of different engine ages. But I highly doubt that. Mercedes should have easily gotten pole with at least 0.25 sec gap even if Ferrari had been on a new spec too.
I think your point is fair that it can't be 0.5 second there. I think, other than power, i don't know how the driveability gets affected for that PU. That must account for something.

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It’s only a 0.5s gap because you are comparing an ‘old’ engine to a ‘new’ engine on a track where power matters. As a Ferrari fan, i’d find it quite concerning that Ferrari were mostly quite comfortably on pole this year (exception being Australia and everything after Baku), but now suddenly dont seem to have that edge anymore.
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Phil wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 13:00
It’s only a 0.5s gap because you are comparing an ‘old’ engine to a ‘new’ engine on a track where power matters. As a Ferrari fan, i’d find it quite concerning that Ferrari were mostly quite comfortably on pole this year (exception being Australia and everything after Baku), but now suddenly dont seem to have that edge anymore.
so they lost it when filling up oil during Qualifying was banned on from Barcelona?!

If that's the reason, it's concerning indeed

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Phil wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 13:00
It’s only a 0.5s gap because you are comparing an ‘old’ engine to a ‘new’ engine on a track where power matters. As a Ferrari fan, i’d find it quite concerning that Ferrari were mostly quite comfortably on pole this year (exception being Australia and everything after Baku), but now suddenly dont seem to have that edge anymore.
It was told that Mercedes' pace deficit mostly was due to not being able to put the tyres in right window. Why is it pure power difference now? :)
You can also argue that Mercedes started managing tyres much better from Barcelona on.

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An no one here knows anything. That's the fun here. Everyone claims to know everything. And the real reason for performance difference is probably something else or all of it.

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search wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 13:09
Phil wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 13:00
It’s only a 0.5s gap because you are comparing an ‘old’ engine to a ‘new’ engine on a track where power matters. As a Ferrari fan, i’d find it quite concerning that Ferrari were mostly quite comfortably on pole this year (exception being Australia and everything after Baku), but now suddenly dont seem to have that edge anymore.
so they lost it when filling up oil during Qualifying was banned on from Barcelona?!

If that's the reason, it's concerning indeed
Well the fact that Vettel was hardly faster than Kimi seems mostly over looked. What does that say about the old spec vs the new? I'm hoping the new spec was about economy more than anything else so race pace is improved.

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I think qualifying was not effected by engine age/spec or party modes.

Lewis messed up both q3 laps and as a team Mercedes have admitted they made a mistake by not having enough HS tyres to practice on.

It was Hamilton’s pole to lose.... and he lost it.

However, I like that he did as it means we now get to see a proper race :)


P.s. I just placed a 20 Euro bet on Hamilton winning. His race pace was on average .4 clear of any other team.

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Hulk is seventh again, this is unreal haha.
7 is number 1 in the midfield universe. Hulk should be the midfield champion if he car was reliable. I think Alonso is leading it.
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LM10 wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 11:46
GPA-R, of course it's not, but people here tell that 6 races is equal to a time loss of easily 0.5 seconds. Ferrari's engine was worn half of that last year. If 0.5 seconds was right, the 0.25 sec difference between Vettel and Hamilton in Q3 must have been only because of different engine ages. But I highly doubt that. Mercedes should have easily gotten pole with at least 0.25 sec gap even if Ferrari had been on a new spec too.
The engine software is smart enough to increase boost to make up for any wear in piston rings. At higher rpms the leakage should reduce too. Wolf said it was 1.5 tenths of second the most. And that is old old spec to new new spec. In other words the peak engine power is not that much improved in the new spec engine it is some other aspects like mid ramge power, endurance and reliability.
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Wow, it seems no one is making a big deal about Verstappen's previous crashes after dominating Riccardo all week. I guess people really do have short memories and you're only as good as your last race.
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