2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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mwillems wrote:
diffuser wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 05:46
mwillems wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 21:19
DRS was also enabled and likely Max would be right on Sainz tail so I'm not convinced at all by this talk of a possible podium, I think he would have been fighting for 5th at best.

That said, that does highlight how well Lando did to get back into 6th position, although it helped that Hulk dropped out and Ric had damage to his front wing by that point.

I have a feeling we might struggle more at china (Despite the straight and our top speeds) and need to push hard to ensure a Q3.
If DRS was enabled, you sure it wouldn't have gone to sainz? Pretty sure there are 2 zones for one detection there.

Not sure the word "Struggled" accurately describes McLaren's pace at Bahrain.

I have no idea how we're going to do in China but nothing I saw in Bahrain suggests to me we'll struggle.
Yes but max would then be sitting behind sainz so hed be likely getting those same DRS zones for a back and forth tussle between the two.

We struggled to get close to the Renaults until they ran over each other and subsequently exploded. Lando kept Kimi behind, but the Alfa was right there with us, so I do t think there is much clear air in performance terms around McLaren. I know we had used tyres but this is a forgiving track with 3 DRS zones. It won't be like this elsewhere.

If we drop a few tenths in China we could easily be 13th or 14th on the grid with less of a chance to regain position.
Actually, Norris passed RIC during the race based on pace... And he matched Hulk’s pace for his last stint.

In regards to the fight with Kimi, Lando simply struggled more in the used set of Softs and his last stint wasn’t as good as the other too... But, to keep a car behind you that has the advantage of DRS for as long as Norris did it, is a very good sign for the team... I believe Kimi mentioned in the interview that the Mclaren simply had better traction coming out of the corners... We also don’t know what Norris had to do in terms of fuel saving by the end of the race, he definitely had to run harder at the beginning to get through the field, so it would be expected for him to have to coast during the end of the race.

I agree that in China or any other race at this point, it only takes a couple tenths to not make it into Q3... Probably the only “hope” some fans can have before the race is the fact that Mclaren put one car in Q3 at Melbourne, which in theory is a track doesn’t suit very well this package and had both in Bahrain, which even with the 3 DRS Zones, on paper isn’t a track that should suit the car as good as a proper high speed track.


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FittingMechanics wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 02:50
Made an small video of Norris making his way through the field... Hope you guys like it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muqAXhtBE4k


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Thank you for the video. Great stuff by Norris.

Maybe I missed it, but is there an overtake on the Haas in the video? I wasn't able to recognize Haas if it was in there. I also would have prefered if it was in chronological order, but that's a minor issue.
I don’t know what happened... The one I made was supposed to be in Chronological order and had the pass on the Haas (which is after the Force India one)... I apologize, first time doing a video at all... Using my IPad to “record the screen” and the IMovie app... Pissed that it didn’t work as expected


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FittingMechanics wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 02:50
Made an small video of Norris making his way through the field... Hope you guys like it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muqAXhtBE4k


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Thank you for the video. Great stuff by Norris.

Maybe I missed it, but is there an overtake on the Haas in the video? I wasn't able to recognize Haas if it was in there. I also would have prefered if it was in chronological order, but that's a minor issue.
The pass on Magnussen is at 2:32, it’s done on the main straight... Magnussen tries to cover the inside, Norris flies by.




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Ground Effect wrote:Not trying to open a can of worms on the Carlos/Max incident, don't know if this has been posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18OE3O_t7mM
It would be interesting to see the telemetry... It would seem as if once he saw the Sainz was ahead, he “released” the brake just to get the car in there and ended up hitting Sainz...

But the reality is that it doesn’t matter at this point, since it won’t change the outcome


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I'm very enthusiast for McLaren, I hope not to be disappointed :D

- Sainz is a good reference point for Norris
- Norris feels like the future of the team, the long term like VES for RBR and LEC for Ferrari
- Car is beautiful, they have a good amount of sponsors
- Budget is OK
- Key is finally here

Everything looks good to progress on a solid basis and recover from the past years.
Of course, the MGU issues will make some points loss, but the more important thing is to show progress in pace 8)

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The thing for me about that race apart from banzai Verstappen ruining Sainz race is that I can only see positive things for McLaren.

This is a very different forum from when Ieft it last year. McLaren have really sorted themselves out. Credit to Zak Brown who I was very unsure of to begin with.

Coca Cola must be thinking about increasing their exposure some more surely? Get that sidepod filled!
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Not to be the negative person here but looking at what we know I don't think China will be as strong for McLaren. So far through testing and Australia we were struggling with under steer to the point that we used a spoon wing in Australia, while everyone else was running full rear wings, to reduce rear downforce and balance the car out. Yes the updates to the front wing and barged boards seemed to help but I get the impression that we are still slightly front limited.

Bahrain is a rear limited track which we know isn't a problem for the MCL34. China is known to be a front limited track which I fear may hurt the performance as it will only exacerbate the current under steer issues.

Yes we are fast on the straights but I believe that is only due to McLaren trimming rear downforce, and ergo drag, to balance the car so it won't help too much.

I hope I'm wrong. Bahrain qualifying was p7 and p10, my guess for China qualifying is P9 and P11.

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bill shoe wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 15:10
Jambier wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 14:28
Ground Effect wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 13:46
Guys, what should we expect from China?
For now, I've seen a quick McLaren on two tracks

I think it can clearly still fight for P4 with other teams.
Championship P4 is almost conservative now! McLaren has both qualy and race pace. Haas is fast in qualy but nowhere in the race, and Renault is the opposite.

Gasly in the second RB is a complete waste of a car. As long as he struggles to keep up with the Toro Rossos, and as long as RB continues to insert him into the second RB, then McLaren has every chance of beating RB for third in constructors.

Yes early days, only 2 of 21 races done.
Exactly my thoughts. Both cars in the top 10 best of the rest consistently and we can get third by the end of the season
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the test coming the right time for renault engines .....for china my opinion is mclaren will be closer to the top ...

from sainz yesterday While Carlos Sainz says: "I had better pace than the Red Bull in front and it felt like I was faster than the Mercedes.".....if we find half a second upgrade from others we will be podium contender at every race on season ...little pace from everywhere ..tires-engine-aero-chassis .....

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ollandos wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 16:43
the test coming the right time for renault engines .....for china my opinion is mclaren will be closer to the top ...

from sainz yesterday While Carlos Sainz says: "I had better pace than the Red Bull in front and it felt like I was faster than the Mercedes.".....if we find half a second upgrade from others we will be podium contender at every race on season ...little pace from everywhere ..tires-engine-aero-chassis .....
Wow.. Where did he say this? Link?

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FittingMechanics wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 12:45
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01 Apr 2019, 12:32
I see it as a racing incident TBH, but I dont believe Sainz was as "at fault" as many have said
He should have left more space, or he should have gone infront of Verstappen after he got ahead. He was clear ahead of Verstappen during the overtake, only getting side by side because Verstappen did a "divebomb" to the inside. Sainz would have probably went ahead if he left more space.

He is not at fault, racing incident is a good call but Sainz should have known better, especially as it was Lap 4.
IMO..
He shouldn't have tried it at all, at that point.
Sainz had the faster Racing line but he didn't had the inside. He turned into the apex almost like he was alone. if you see the video and pause it on the last frame that you can see the edge of SAINZ front wing , you will see that VES is already on the kurbs.
He may thought he was clear, but VES in did divebombed the inside. VES was carrying a lot of speed on that divebomb, no way he would have been able to give SAINZ space on the corner exit. If SAINZ gave space and try to turn alongside VES, he would be proppably pushed out of track on the exit. VES was going to fast in order to make the corner on that angle and also give space on the corner exit.He would be forced to go completley wide on exit, pushing out SAINZ.
BUT SAINZ even pushed out, he would be carrying more speed and he would have made the pass i think.
And it would be on the stewards hands after that.
IMO that is what would have happend if SAINZ gave space. ( Which he didn't)

So knowing that VES would do that divebomb as he did it many times on the past, better brake a bit, let VES make the corner and try something different, after that corner while you are carrying slightly more speed. Or try for another clear pass l8r.

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Just in case you got the wrong message. Carlos said that he felt he had enough pace to keep up with the Mercedes ahead. He was looking forward to overtaking the RedBull and looking ahead to see if he could overtake the Mercedes as well. A bit of an overstatement if you ask me. He probably got a little excited from that battle.

Here is the interview: https://streamable.com/4gjnm Go to the 1:16 minute mark for Carlos's interview.

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mwillems wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 08:09
diffuser wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 05:46
mwillems wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 21:19


DRS was also enabled and likely Max would be right on Sainz tail so I'm not convinced at all by this talk of a possible podium, I think he would have been fighting for 5th at best.

That said, that does highlight how well Lando did to get back into 6th position, although it helped that Hulk dropped out and Ric had damage to his front wing by that point.

I have a feeling we might struggle more at china (Despite the straight and our top speeds) and need to push hard to ensure a Q3.
If DRS was enabled, you sure it wouldn't have gone to sainz? Pretty sure there are 2 zones for one detection there.

Not sure the word "Struggled" accurately describes McLaren's pace at Bahrain.

I have no idea how we're going to do in China but nothing I saw in Bahrain suggests to me we'll struggle.
Yes but max would then be sitting behind sainz so hed be likely getting those same DRS zones for a back and forth tussle between the two.

We struggled to get close to the Renaults until they ran over each other and subsequently exploded. Lando kept Kimi behind, but the Alfa was right there with us, so I do t think there is much clear air in performance terms around McLaren. I know we had used tyres but this is a forgiving track with 3 DRS zones. It won't be like this elsewhere.

If we drop a few tenths in China we could easily be 13th or 14th on the grid with less of a chance to regain position.
Typically 1 car has to be faster that the other to pass it. The slower car can hold the faster car back. Once the faster car gets by, it's usually goodbye.

Agreed on China but we really have no idea if they are going to be faster or slower in China. nor do we know what upgrades are planned by McLaren or anyone else for that matter.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 16:09
mwillems wrote:
diffuser wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 05:46


If DRS was enabled, you sure it wouldn't have gone to sainz? Pretty sure there are 2 zones for one detection there.

Not sure the word "Struggled" accurately describes McLaren's pace at Bahrain.

I have no idea how we're going to do in China but nothing I saw in Bahrain suggests to me we'll struggle.
Yes but max would then be sitting behind sainz so hed be likely getting those same DRS zones for a back and forth tussle between the two.

We struggled to get close to the Renaults until they ran over each other and subsequently exploded. Lando kept Kimi behind, but the Alfa was right there with us, so I do t think there is much clear air in performance terms around McLaren. I know we had used tyres but this is a forgiving track with 3 DRS zones. It won't be like this elsewhere.

If we drop a few tenths in China we could easily be 13th or 14th on the grid with less of a chance to regain position.
Actually, Norris passed RIC during the race based on pace... And he matched Hulk’s pace for his last stint.

In regards to the fight with Kimi, Lando simply struggled more in the used set of Softs and his last stint wasn’t as good as the other too... But, to keep a car behind you that has the advantage of DRS for as long as Norris did it, is a very good sign for the team... I believe Kimi mentioned in the interview that the Mclaren simply had better traction coming out of the corners... We also don’t know what Norris had to do in terms of fuel saving by the end of the race, he definitely had to run harder at the beginning to get through the field, so it would be expected for him to have to coast during the end of the race.

I agree that in China or any other race at this point, it only takes a couple tenths to not make it into Q3... Probably the only “hope” some fans can have before the race is the fact that Mclaren put one car in Q3 at Melbourne, which in theory is a track doesn’t suit very well this package and had both in Bahrain, which even with the 3 DRS Zones, on paper isn’t a track that should suit the car as good as a proper high speed track.


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Nope, Norris was behind both Renaults at that point and Ric lost pace when he had his front wing squashed by Hulk.

Yes it is a good sign. But I said we had to fight for it, nothing said changes that. We are not outright ahead in midfield, if at all. We were on a track that likes us and forgave setbacks.
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Macklaren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 16:57
ollandos wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 16:43
the test coming the right time for renault engines .....for china my opinion is mclaren will be closer to the top ...

from sainz yesterday While Carlos Sainz says: "I had better pace than the Red Bull in front and it felt like I was faster than the Mercedes.".....if we find half a second upgrade from others we will be podium contender at every race on season ...little pace from everywhere ..tires-engine-aero-chassis .....
Wow.. Where did he say this? Link?
Most of the comments are by Lando, but Carlos makes the statement towards the end of the article.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... bahrain-gp
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