2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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IvailoStefanovBG
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In FP1 RB looked pretty stable and easy to drive. Let`s hope for above 30 degrees tomorrow and in Sunday. Mercs were with overheating body and tires again...

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HondaPOD wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:49
Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
in one moment Gasly was 1.9s behind Max. and finally Max failed 0.030 behind Ham.
That's means nothing at this stage. let's wait until qualification. if we still are 1s behind I can say it's over for this year.
I am just preventing people from getting their hopes up only to have them shattered on Sunday.
It looks like Merc is at least half a year or more of development ahead of the others
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:56
HondaPOD wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:49
Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
in one moment Gasly was 1.9s behind Max. and finally Max failed 0.030 behind Ham.
That's means nothing at this stage. let's wait until qualification. if we still are 1s behind I can say it's over for this year.
I am just preventing people from getting their hopes up only to have them shattered on Sunday.
It looks like Merc is at least half a year or more of development ahead of the others
After being on this forum for a few years, I've learned that over extrapolation in either direction, or telling people what they should hope (or not) for, is a waste of time. I reference you to the 1000 page Honda thread, and also to the recent kerfuffle here with certain trolls oscillating wildly in their facts and opinions pre and post Austria....

Saying "RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap" is just another version of "I am just preventing people from getting their hopes up".

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IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:52
In FP1 RB looked pretty stable and easy to drive. Let`s hope for above 30 degrees tomorrow and in Sunday. Mercs were with overheating body and tires again...
Sunday is going to be 24 degrees and overcast so actually quite cold for F1 terms
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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McMika98 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 07:13
diffuser wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 03:39
Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 00:02

If you think increased mechanical grip (which slow speed corners rely on) is going to hurt them in the wet you have a nast suprise coming on the next wet race :mrgreen: . It is crucial in the wet.
Anything more grip(aero or mechanical) will help in the rain.
My two pence is that aero grip is more important than mechanical in wet condition. Besides the superior mechanical grip they have on normal track condition will disappear immediately when you get a wet track. Aint no such thing as mechanical grip with wet tyres on tarmac flush with water. Engine throttle mapping is also as important. Saying all that the Merc still have better aero this year than all teams, but we will see.
Engine throttle mapping is something everyone does, so it isn't a big differentiator. The fact that you can never use all the power kind of takes the PU out of the equation.

If you had no mechanical grip, it would take forever to get up to speeds where DF kicks in. DF is pretty much a constant in the rain or dry. The typical F1 car Generates it own weight in DF at 130KM and that's generally the speed where they can nail it without traction worries in the dry.
In the wet of course that will be a little higher, cause of the loss of mechanical grip. The more mechanical grip, the less dependent on DF. In the wet you'll spend more time below 130KM and the further down from 130KM you go the more dependent you are on mechanical grip. Everything is less in the rain. Usually, whatever you had more grip over the other cars in the dry, you'll have more over them in the wet.


The other big thing is tires, if you can't switch on the tires you're f*cked. Remember Silverstone 2015 ? Lewis Hamilton was the only one that was able to switch on the tires to the extend that he did and he literally ran circles around everyone.

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Ughh, Gasly binned it again... 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Gasly is back... 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

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If RBR is able to be in front of the two Ferraris and not far away from Merc at the end of the race, it will be a good result. FP times are a bit irrelevant, they are using old detuned PU. So you can't say they are 1s behind or whatever. Wait until Q3 and then we will see. Like in Silverstone, they were so close

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 16:46
Gasly is back... 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
Ghastly is back ...is more appropriate!

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 16:49
If RBR is able to be in front of the two Ferraris and not far away from Merc at the end of the race, it will be a good result. FP times are a bit irrelevant, they are using old detuned PU. So you can't say they are 1s behind or whatever. Wait until Q3 and then we will see. Like in Silverstone, they were so close
You are stating the obvious.

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Gasly should just volunteer a switch with Kvyat now. It's RBR only chance to catch Ferrari this year.

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Verstappen's times are very competitive low 19's high to mid 18's. Hah that's how fast I can drive the vanilla 2017 F1 car in Assetto Corsa in "race trim". I'll sub for Gasly. :lol:
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Can they get Webber back? 8)

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roon wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 18:30
Can they get Webber back? 8)
Maybe Coulthard is better choice, he did a promo with Verstappen last week, driving around a courier van... and Coulthard drives around once in while in the RB8.

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Poor kid, he's having a bad go at it. I really expected him to show better this year.
Honda!