2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.

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Snatch wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:56
Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:54
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07 Sep 2019, 19:50


That's why a lot of series that do this use essentially drawing from a hat to determine the time you run.
As long as it’s open and transparent then that would solve it. It would make how green the track is a total lottery though. Would certainly mix the grid up though.
In the order of the q2 results. Problem solved.
That would make an anti climax of qualy though. as people like Hamilton Leclerc Vettel would go first, then you end up with Grosjean, Raikkonen, Kvyat going last with no chance of pole. The reverse of that could work though.
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Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
Yes there was, well, not to get out at 2 minutes left, but there was a good amount of gain with not being the first one on track.

Just remember, never play chicken with a F1 driver, they rather not qualify then give someone else an advantage.

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Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
You're quite right, but what mad man would send your guys out first.
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drunkf1fan wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:56
214270 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:28
Sainz should get banged for sure.

The question mark is over the conduct of Hulk and Stroll. I think both could argue that the roadblock they each were involved in was a result of Sainz speeding up, joining them and driving side-by-side with them.
lol, really?

Stroll was a road block in the chicane, he saw what Hulk was doing so went extremely slow through the chicane such that no one could pass him.

On the straight Sainz passed him and went alongside Hulk and together they became a road block. Nothing Sainz did turned Stroll into a roadblock nor caused Hulk to go through the run off as slow as possible then come back on track and continue to go as slow as possible.
Hulk set the speed on the approach to turn 1 as he was the first one out, before taking to the slip road. Stroll maintained that speed through the chicane and peeled off to one side, slowly but safely. Likewise, after taking to the slip road Hulk rejoined and stayed to one side; the same side he rejoined the track.

The issue is Sainz then drove alongside both of them and created a roadblock which impeded the progress of everyone behind.
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Jolle wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:15
Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
Yes there was, well, not to get out at 2 minutes left, but there was a good amount of gain with not being the first one on track.

Just remember, never play chicken with a F1 driver, they rather not qualify then give someone else an advantage.
Oh I agree. I’m just negating the argument that it’s only certain drivers faults no matter what the stewards say.

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NathanOlder wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:16
Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
You're quite right, but what mad man would send your guys out first.
I agree. That’s why my argument is that every damn one of them is to blame.

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Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:19
Jolle wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:15
Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
Yes there was, well, not to get out at 2 minutes left, but there was a good amount of gain with not being the first one on track.

Just remember, never play chicken with a F1 driver, they rather not qualify then give someone else an advantage.
Oh I agree. I’m just negating the argument that it’s only certain drivers faults no matter what the stewards say.
Thats why it shouldn't be forbidden by rules or anything. This is part of the game.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Has it been confirmed which lap was under investigation? Was it a lap in Q2 or the Q3 lap where he appeared to run wide at parabolica?

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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It was about his Q3 lap ... "benefit of the doubt" what a bunch of horseshit

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One thing i never liked is the complete lack of transparency, they could easily make all the camera angles available in high res but they will never do that, so we're left with some blurry garbage and their word.
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NathanOlder wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:16
Restomaniac wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:04
I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.
You're quite right, but what mad man would send your guys out first.
Maybe the two teams whose driver had no time at all?
Rivals, not enemies.

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RZS10 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 20:31
It was about his Q3 lap ... "benefit of the doubt" what a bunch of horseshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED4ajOaXYAEeuC0.jpg

One thing i never liked is the complete lack of transparency, they could easily make all the camera angles available in high res but they will never do that, so we're left with some blurry garbage and their word.
Why not set up dedicated camera when they know they’ll be encoring track limits and deleting qualifying times if “off track”

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Juzh wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 19:59
bottas q3 lap P3 - bottas is saying yellows cost him pole, which is true, as he takes insane speed into parabolica, probably highest I've seen. What he didn't say is that he forgot to open the DRS on the main straight, which also cost him pole :lol: he'll be kicking himself
https://streamable.com/h8gk
Great view of Kimi going off through Parabolica from Hamilton's onboard, had Kimi not gone Hamilton would have got a super tow and maybe got pole himself


https://streamable.com/kx0nb

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What a laugh - some camera angles showed he was all 4 off...but its monza...and Ferrari...so you can have the benefit of the doubt!