2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

[jumpingfish]

Funny that they have tried this only after the TD was put forward!, but they did try that at austin and how did that work out?

To be more competitive in race, you should do it before Qualify. When first TD was created? Saturday? Can you explain me when they finished to prepare the car before Parc Ferme period started and when first TD in USA created?

The TD at Austin was given out after the friday practice on Saturday moring, which can be confirmed in this link from offical site https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... FygYF.html
So to answer your question, the parc ferme only applies when you go out for the first time on the track in Q1!, so any team could have easily did whatever they need to do to the car from saturday morning until saturday late afternoon for the qualifying!

It is not "underhand comment". It's same as your "they lost their advantage after TD". According to this I can say: In 2014-2017 Mercedes were cheaters with oil burning but after prohibitions from 2018 till today they lost their engine advantage and now Ferrari and Honda (Renault?) more powerful . Don't you like logic like this?

No its not the same as my comment, COZ the main difference in my comment is that i have put up sector times from all the tracks to show the difference, which you have ignored completely (coz it doesnt suit ur agenda)

Thank you for article above. How do you think Ferrari knew about future TD in Saturday and that's why they brought to Austin big RW same as in Mexico (which as big as Monaco version)? TD was the reason Vettel ran in Austin FP2 with that rear wing, right? Or teams prepare to race only after Saturday's morning?

[siskue2005]

To be more competitive in race, you should do it before Qualify. When first TD was created? Saturday? Can you explain me when they finished to prepare the car before Parc Ferme period started and when first TD in USA created?

The TD at Austin was given out after the friday practice on Saturday moring, which can be confirmed in this link from offical site https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... FygYF.html
So to answer your question, the parc ferme only applies when you go out for the first time on the track in Q1!, so any team could have easily did whatever they need to do to the car from saturday morning until saturday late afternoon for the qualifying!

It is not "underhand comment". It's same as your "they lost their advantage after TD". According to this I can say: In 2014-2017 Mercedes were cheaters with oil burning but after prohibitions from 2018 till today they lost their engine advantage and now Ferrari and Honda (Renault?) more powerful . Don't you like logic like this?

No its not the same as my comment, COZ the main difference in my comment is that i have put up sector times from all the tracks to show the difference, which you have ignored completely (coz it doesnt suit ur agenda)

Thank you for article above. How do you think Ferrari knew about future TD in Saturday and that's why they brought to Austin big RW same as in Mexico (which as big as Monaco version)? TD was the reason Vettel ran in Austin FP2 with that rear wing, right? Or teams prepare to race only after Saturday's morning?

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

[Mamba]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

And how do we know that they tried the lower DF set-up and saw their pace was even worse? Their power advantage was never that prominant in the races to begin with. Austin seems almost like a Hungary, Australia type incident. Mysterious pace loss.

[siskue2005]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

And how do we know that they tried the lower DF set-up and saw their pace was even worse? Their power advantage was never that prominant in the races to begin with. Austin seems almost like a Hungary, Australia type incident. Mysterious pace loss.

Yes mysterious indeed just after the TD in both qualy and in race

And how do we know that they tried the lower DF set-up and saw their pace was even worse?

Coz their entire car philosophy is to have lower downforce and faster in straights from the beginning, they would have their qualy pace and hold off others in the straights due to their superior speed and acceleration! and it worked for them pretty well for 6 races in a taught! and suddenly they decided to not do that ! Mysterious indeed (it must have been getting boring for them to get all the poles in the 6 races preceding to the TD, they want entertainment in F1, they listen to their fans )

[NathanOlder]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

And how do we know that they tried the lower DF set-up and saw their pace was even worse? Their power advantage was never that prominant in the races to begin with. Austin seems almost like a Hungary, Australia type incident. Mysterious pace loss.

Surely Monza shows their power advantage in the races. Hamilton with DRS and the very very valuable tow couldn't even draw alongside Leclerc in to turn 1. Ferrari had a massive power advantage that day.

[jumpingfish]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

Yes, they do. But why in Austin-Brasil Qualies Ferrari with all TDs and big RWs was still faster on straights? If they can't win the races with their low-downforce philosophy (faster tyres degradation), why can't they decide to sacrify their advantage to be better on Sundays?
No pace in Austin = TD, and what about Hungary/Australian? Future TD?

[siskue2005]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

Yes, they do. But why in Austin-Brasil Qualies Ferrari with all TDs and big RWs was still faster on straights?

No they were not

If they can't win the races with their low-downforce philosophy (faster tyres degradation), why can't they decide to sacrify their advantage to be better on Sundays?

They sure did win all those races after the summer break with low downforce and jet mode! they only failed to win 3 out of the 6 races, Sochi due to technical problem, Suzuka due to poor start and crash and Mexico due to poor stratergy....it was not their downforce of straightline speed or race speed which lost them those races! it was other things!

No pace in Austin = TD, and what about Hungary/Australian? Future TD?

We are talking about post summer break where the "Jet mode" started to appear!

[NathanOlder]

Up until the summer break Ferrari were lost with understanding their car and getting the most out of it. In Hungary they couldn't run a little more wing compared to the rest, as the rest were all running maximum wing.

At other circuits like Spa, Japan, Monza where the corners are long and fast Ferrari were able to run a little more wing to get closer to the RB and Merc in the corners and still dominate the straights such was their power advantage.

[siskue2005]

Up until the summer break Ferrari were lost with understanding their car and getting the most out of it. In Hungary they couldn't run a little more wing compared to the rest, as the rest were all running maximum wing.

At other circuits like Spa, Japan, Monza where the corners are long and fast Ferrari were able to run a little more wing to get closer to the RB and Merc in the corners and still dominate the straights such was their power advantage.

So according to this they should still be fast in circuits like Austin and Brazil, but they are not! which shows they have lost something.
They were faster at two tenths in sector one alone in Singapore even with monaco level downforce!

[jumpingfish]

How do you know that teams dont bring different levels of downforce to most races? seems stupid to not bring two ro three different downforce levels to a single race.... espcially teams with budget like merc, rbr and ferrari! They check different levels of downforce in all races, it happened in Belgium, Suzuka and most tracks and also yesterday in brazil too in free practice sessions.

Yes, they do. But why in Austin-Brasil Qualies Ferrari with all TDs and big RWs was still faster on straights?

No they were not
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If they can't win the races with their low-downforce philosophy (faster tyres degradation), why can't they decide to sacrify their advantage to be better on Sundays?

They sure did win all those races after the summer break with low downforce and jet mode! they only failed to win 3 out of the 6 races, Sochi due to technical problem, Suzuka due to poor start and crash and Mexico due to poor stratergy....it was not their downforce of straightline speed or race speed which lost them those races! it was other things!

No pace in Austin = TD, and what about Hungary/Australian? Future TD?

We are talking about post summer break where the "Jet mode" started to appear!

Really only after summer break Jet mode appeared? Are you joking? Whole season Mercedes cries: Ferrari is faster on straights for 0.5sec or more. Do you see difference between "speed on straights" and S1-S3 times? Circuits aren't only straights, why do you copy/paste those screenshots everytime?
In Singapore RB had problems with their settings (simulator or suspension, something like that), but who cares about it? Is it RB was slower or Ferrari faster in that case? Hamilton was ahead of Vettel, if their strategists were smarter, they could call him to pit and he could easily win that race. If Ferrari lost in Mexico - it's their poor strategy, and if Mercedes lost in Singapore - Ferrari cheaters with Jet mode

[siskue2005]

Really only after summer break Jet mode appeared? Are you joking? Whole season Mercedes cries: Ferrari is faster on straights for 0.5sec or more.

Ok i need to rephrase, when Ferrari started to get 6 poles out of 6 races using jetmode after the first six races after the summer break

Do you see difference between "speed on straights" and S1-S3 times? Circuits aren't only straights,

Yes i am glad that u understand the the difference between straightline speed and faster in sector times where there are straights, coz that is what actually shows their performance in a sector with mostly straights..... coz if u just look at the top speed then Racing point have been dominating it pretty much entire season, coz ferrari use their jet mode to get the acceleration after the traction zone to reach a certain top speed faster than others and maintain it there. (not necessarily the top speed advantage).

why do you copy/paste those screenshots everytime?

Coz it contradicts whatever you are saying and the evidence from it is dismissed by you as it doesnot suit your agenda.

In Singapore RB had problems with their settings (simulator or suspension, something like that), but who cares about it? Is it RB was slower or Ferrari faster in that case? Hamilton was ahead of Vettel, if their strategists were smarter, they could call him to pit and he could easily win that race.

see how i need to post the screenshots again?? coz completely ignoring it and posting your own opinion is not how we analyse a situation.

If Ferrari lost in Mexico - it's their poor strategy, and if Mercedes lost in Singapore - Ferrari cheaters with Jet mode

And yes Ferrari lost the Mexico GP due to stratgey coz they were leading 1-2
and in singapore mercedes DIDNOT lose the race due to strategy coz meredes were never leading the race, not even 1-2! See this difference

[siskue2005]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... n/4598613/
Interesting article, would go with an expert's views

Asked by Motorsport.com for his thoughts on Ferrari’s change in straightline speed gains in Brazil, Allison warned against making assumptions but admitted Ferrari’s shift in form was noteworthy.

“I think they were still pretty useful on the straights,” said Allison. “But not quite as marked as it was [Friday].

“That could be all sorts of things. We all run different power modes on a Friday.

“Probably the only thing that you could stand back from a distance and say is that it's two races on the trot where it hasn't been pole position for a Ferrari. And they sort of had a reasonably comfortable margin.

“So it's an interesting thing, but not anything you could draw any solid conclusions from.

“They’re still a quick car on the straights and let's just see how they are in the race tomorrow, how they are in the in the races to come.”

[izzy]

It’d have being interesting if they had won the wdc with it....

But they gained a Monza win with it, maybe Spa?

oh fair comment lol, if they'd beaten Lewis with it i'd have been outraged!!!

I don't think it worked in races especially, they still only have 105kg after all. obviously grid position is gold, but not the whole story once they're running 1,2

Aren't the 105kg calculated by integrating the measurements of the same sensor?

Oh yes, so they are i see, but FIA have a check, they can weigh the car with and without fuel. ( its 110 kg i see/ remember this year)

[Capharol]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... en-v-lando

loook at the end to the face of Karun... he must be thinking "i am glad i am done with this comparison"

[Capharol]