COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[Just_a_fan]

It would be nice to have a starting point, but where do they go after that?

Red Bull would obviously be hoping that Max could make it three wins in a row there too. A nice way to start off their 2020 campaign.

[izzy]

It would be nice to have a starting point, but where do they go after that?

Red Bull would obviously be hoping that Max could make it three wins in a row there too. A nice way to start off their 2020 campaign.

yes, you can see the attraction can't you. Well if it's a road trip i suppose Germany or Hungary next? Italy? it's hard to imagine how the various countries and governments will be by then. Two races in Austria, Helmut wouldn't mind...

[Restomaniac]

If the young can be infected numerous times how the hell do we eventually get to herd immunity?

The suggestion is that the young are just killing the virus by other means so are getting the same response (they're immune) by some other means. If that's the case then the herd immunity issue is still covered.

The issue appears to be that the virus is causing an excessive immune response in some, particularly older, people. If that's the case, then herd immunity doesn't help because they'll always get adverse reactions to any short term re-emergence of the virus in the community. More worryingly, a vaccine might actually be dangerous for those people.

if that’s true then how do you explain a positive test? A positive test means the presence of the virus in the test areas nose/throat. Thus as you breathe out it pops.

It’s not difficult to understand. If someone can walk around and get it numerous times and expel it then they are NOT part of any herd immunity. Herd immunity means when a huge percentage cannot get it and spread it. In this case they can get it and spread it over and over again.

[PlatinumZealot]

This virus could be the end of the human race unless we can eradicate it.

Im OK with opinions, but this is a bit panic inducing and dangerous.

as a matter of fact its a total "dumb" statement, because we have 7.594 billion ppl on the world if the dying rate is really 5% of that, the humanity isn't gonna be eradicated .....

but anyhow just let it be with these "dumb" statements, it causes unnecessarily stress/panic

Its just an errant thought. Funily enough Oprah! Of all people pondered the same a little after I said it... If this is the begining of the end of us all. Hah.

Anyway..

Back on scientific stuff...

An article if we have reached the peak yet:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-pandemic


How to clean masks for reuse (twice is safe)

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-re ... espirators

And Cuban Vaccine begins trials... It's called CIBG-2020.

[Big Tea]

Im OK with opinions, but this is a bit panic inducing and dangerous.

as a matter of fact its a total "dumb" statement, because we have 7.594 billion ppl on the world if the dying rate is really 5% of that, the humanity isn't gonna be eradicated .....

but anyhow just let it be with these "dumb" statements, it causes unnecessarily stress/panic

Its just an errant thought. Funily enough Oprah! Of all people pondered the same a little after I said it... If this is the begining of the end of us all. Hah.

Anyway..

Back on scientific stuff...

An article if we have reached the peak yet:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-pandemic


How to clean masks for reuse (twice is safe)

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-re ... espirators

And Cuban Vaccine begins trials... It's called CIBG-2020.

Why not 30 seconds in the microwave to sterilise masks? it works for my socks!

[3jawchuck]

Why not 30 seconds in the microwave to sterilise masks? it works for my socks!

Wouldn't it be the heat produced by the process that disinfects, rather than the waves themselves? Would the wavelength of the microwaves be too large to have any effect on their own?

So perhaps a couple of minutes would be better, once you have removed any metal parts....

[Just_a_fan]

If the young can be infected numerous times how the hell do we eventually get to herd immunity?

The suggestion is that the young are just killing the virus by other means so are getting the same response (they're immune) by some other means. If that's the case then the herd immunity issue is still covered.

The issue appears to be that the virus is causing an excessive immune response in some, particularly older, people. If that's the case, then herd immunity doesn't help because they'll always get adverse reactions to any short term re-emergence of the virus in the community. More worryingly, a vaccine might actually be dangerous for those people.

if that’s true then how do you explain a positive test? A positive test means the presence of the virus in the test areas nose/throat. Thus as you breathe out it pops.

It’s not difficult to understand. If someone can walk around and get it numerous times and expel it then they are NOT part of any herd immunity. Herd immunity means when a huge percentage cannot get it and spread it. In this case they can get it and spread it over and over again.

There are two types of test. The swab test - that's the one where you stick a swab in the nose/mouth as you mention. This does not test for antibodies. It tests for the presence of the virus by testing for the virus's RNA. Then there is a blood test that tests for antibodies. This does not test for the virus, it tests for a specific reaction to the virus. If you put the actual virus in an antibody test you'd get a negative result. It's important to understand the difference between the tests. The first is used to determine whether someone has an active viral load, the second determines whether the person has had the virus and reacted to it.

It's worth noting that the swab test has a big error margin. It doesn't pick up all of the people that are actively infected, especially if they have a small dose of the virus. Why? because if you have a small dose then it's less likely that the spot in the nose/mouth that you swab will have the virus lying around to be picked up. This is obvious when you think about it.

The test they are talking about that is not picking up all results in the young is the antibody test, not the swab test.

As you say "it's not difficult to understand"...

[Just_a_fan]

Why not 30 seconds in the microwave to sterilise masks? it works for my socks!

Wouldn't it be the heat produced by the process that disinfects, rather than the waves themselves? Would the wavelength of the microwaves be too large to have any effect on their own?

So perhaps a couple of minutes would be better, once you have removed any metal parts....

If the virus contains any suitable electric dipolar molecules, such as water, then the microwave oven will heat it and "cook" the virus. That's all it does with food, after all. The microwaves make the dipolar molecules move around a lot which is what "hot" means in this context.

Of course, if the mask could be made damp before microwaving, then you'd be able to make it nice and hot anyway which should do the job indirectly.

Edit. The virus has a lipid "shell" and fats (lipids) do exhibit the dielectric effect so will be heated directly by the microwave oven. So microwaving the mask should do the job, so long as the whole mask is "nuked", of course.

[PlatinumZealot]

Someone should do a study on it.

[Restomaniac]

The suggestion is that the young are just killing the virus by other means so are getting the same response (they're immune) by some other means. If that's the case then the herd immunity issue is still covered.

The issue appears to be that the virus is causing an excessive immune response in some, particularly older, people. If that's the case, then herd immunity doesn't help because they'll always get adverse reactions to any short term re-emergence of the virus in the community. More worryingly, a vaccine might actually be dangerous for those people.

if that’s true then how do you explain a positive test? A positive test means the presence of the virus in the test areas nose/throat. Thus as you breathe out it pops.

It’s not difficult to understand. If someone can walk around and get it numerous times and expel it then they are NOT part of any herd immunity. Herd immunity means when a huge percentage cannot get it and spread it. In this case they can get it and spread it over and over again.

There are two types of test. The swab test - that's the one where you stick a swab in the nose/mouth as you mention. This does not test for antibodies. It tests for the presence of the virus by testing for the virus's RNA. Then there is a blood test that tests for antibodies. This does not test for the virus, it tests for a specific reaction to the virus. If you put the actual virus in an antibody test you'd get a negative result. It's important to understand the difference between the tests. The first is used to determine whether someone has an active viral load, the second determines whether the person has had the virus and reacted to it.

It's worth noting that the swab test has a big error margin. It doesn't pick up all of the people that are actively infected, especially if they have a small dose of the virus. Why? because if you have a small dose then it's less likely that the spot in the nose/mouth that you swab will have the virus lying around to be picked up. This is obvious when you think about it.

The test they are talking about that is not picking up all results in the young is the antibody test, not the swab test.

Once you understand the tests and the difference between the RNA-detecting swab test and the antibody test, you can say "it's not difficult to understand"...

No if you had bothered to read it you would see that some young people who HAD tested positive previously for the virus now in these tests tested NEGATIVE for antibodies. Those would be different tests at different times you see. So yes I understand how the different tests work but then again I bother to actually read something instead of just going off what I assume it says.


So again if they tested positive then the virus WAS present in their nose/throat and thus is expelled during breath/speech. So again, again how can people who can catch it more than once which includes it being present in the nose/throat help with herd immunity?........They can’t.

Understand now?

BTW this also explains how places like S.Korea where finding reinfection cases.

I’ve questioned EVERYTHING China have said on this however the report I linked to totally backs up this https://t.co/GjznqVqaqO

I’ll say it again if this is true then herd immunity is out if the window.

[aral]

Whereas this covid 19 subject is interesting, it is throwing up a lot of contra arguments, so really it is not helping. The experts are trying to find the best way to isolate and destroy the virus, and if they cannot do it, with all the experience they have, it is not possible for people on here to come up with ideas and facts that will solve the problem.
Obviously posters will have opinions and these will often be different with some of them really out the window. Some of these opinions could result in readers ignoring proper clinical advice.
So, it would calm down the thread if you were able to actually post on topic, which is that covid 19 will effect F1 during the season. Leave the sorting out of the virus to the experts who are doing a great job, aided by the doctors and nursing staff. F1 is only a very small part of the overall problem

[Restomaniac]

Whereas this covid 19 subject is interesting, it is throwing up a lot of contra arguments, so really it is not helping. The experts are trying to find the best way to isolate and destroy the virus, and if they cannot do it, with all the experience they have, it is not possible for people on here to come up with ideas and facts that will solve the problem.
Obviously posters will have opinions and these will often be different with some of them really out the window. Some of these opinions could result in readers ignoring proper clinical advice.
So, it would calm down the thread if you were able to actually post on topic, which is that covid 19 will effect F1 during the season. Leave the sorting out of the virus to the experts who are doing a great job, aided by the doctors and nursing staff. F1 is only a very small part of the overall problem

TBF I wasn’t looking for a row I was just highlighting what a respected Dr had found out in his own private test whilst trying to find an antibody test that works. Findings that are somewhat worrying but that confirm findings elsewhere. If his findings had been a whole lot more positive I would then have happily posted that too.

This wasn’t my personal view but just what the piece said.

Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

[Phil]

So, it would calm down the thread if you were able to actually post on topic, which is that covid 19 will effect F1 during the season. Leave the sorting out of the virus to the experts who are doing a great job, aided by the doctors and nursing staff. F1 is only a very small part of the overall problem

So where can we talk about what impact COVID-19 has? Because at the end of it, it's all linked to what will happen in F1 anyway. It would be a pity to forbid any COVID-19 talk not directly linked to F1 because there will likely be no F1 any time soon and thus the talk surrounding current F1 news is pretty thin if even non-existent...

[Just_a_fan]

Whereas this covid 19 subject is interesting, it is throwing up a lot of contra arguments, so really it is not helping. The experts are trying to find the best way to isolate and destroy the virus, and if they cannot do it, with all the experience they have, it is not possible for people on here to come up with ideas and facts that will solve the problem.
Obviously posters will have opinions and these will often be different with some of them really out the window. Some of these opinions could result in readers ignoring proper clinical advice.
So, it would calm down the thread if you were able to actually post on topic, which is that covid 19 will effect F1 during the season. Leave the sorting out of the virus to the experts who are doing a great job, aided by the doctors and nursing staff. F1 is only a very small part of the overall problem

Yeah, we can speculate about something that probably won't happen, make up ideas about racing backwards around circuits etc., talk about non-technical rubbish.

Or we can discuss something that is really happening and has some real technical aspects to it.

[Just_a_fan]

No if you had bothered to read it you would see that some young people who HAD tested positive previously for the virus now in these tests tested NEGATIVE for antibodies. Those would be different tests at different times you see. So yes I understand how the different tests work but then again I bother to actually read something instead of just going off what I assume it says.


So again if they tested positive then the virus WAS present in their nose/throat and thus is expelled during breath/speech. So again, again how can people who can catch it more than once which includes it being present in the nose/throat help with herd immunity?........They can’t.

Understand now?

BTW this also explains how places like S.Korea where finding reinfection cases.

I’ve questioned EVERYTHING China have said on this however the report I linked to totally backs up this https://t.co/GjznqVqaqO

I’ll say it again if this is true then herd immunity is out if the window.

I did read it. That and other stuff.

The fact that the antibody test doesn't appear to find antibodies in young people does not mean they will become reinfected. The point is that there is a suggestion that some other process might be fighting the virus in young people. That might be a useful avenue to developing a therapy strategy going forward.

It's like the fact that men and women are equally likely to catch the virus but men are much more likely to die from it. Why? Because some as-yet understood aspect of the biology. Or why old people are more prone to die from it and very old people are very much more prone to die from it.

It appears that the older one is, the more antibodies are produced. There is some suggestion that the more massive antibody production in old people is what is actually causing them to suffer more and to die.

So young people may have an effective immunity to the virus and be contributing to the "herd" because they kill the virus before they present an infection risk to others.

It's called a novel virus for a reason...