2020 Formula 1 70th Anniversary Grand Prix - Silverstone, August 7-9

[i70q7m7ghw]

Agree 100% Perez is always getting a bad rap for no reason, always has great race pace, gentle on tires and gave button the biggest migraine ever in 2013....

He only gave Button a migraine because he kept crashing into him, otherwise, Button massively outscored Perez over the 2013 season and was promptly dropped for the following season. The guy is a Pastor Maldonado level a-hole, and his disregard for the COVID-19 procedures has lost him his race seat for 2 races now.

Hulkenberg put in a solid performance today, and possibly the first representative performance for the RP car. It will be interesting to actually see him race tomorrow, as Stroll really seemed to struggle in last week's race.

Rubbing tires often i wouldn’t consider crashing into and Perez destroyed button in the 2nd half of 2013 as he had way better race pace. And I don’t think mclaren dropping him was a bad thing considering mclaren clearly wasn’t making good decisions at that point in time...

I'm not sure which 2013 season you are referring to, but Button outscored Perez in 7 of the last 10 races of the 2013 season... Is that the definition of "destroyed"?

The only thing keeping Perez in his race seat at RP is the team's loyalty towards him because of his role in "saving" the team.

[NathanOlder]

"did you like that one guys?" while he sliced through nearly the entire field in Austria before slitghtly touching with Norris. Just bad luck.

Dont blame Norris for serial crasher Albons clumsy move

[NathanOlder]

Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.

[holeindalip]

Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.

Consider this an upvote for both previous posts!....

[LM10]

Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.

What do you expect Gasly to do differently? Not only is Verstappen way better than both of them, but RBR is a team made for Max right now. Everything focused on making him world champion. Both Gasly and Albon were, in case of Albon are being and in case of Gasly would again be demolished by Max.

[Big Tea]

Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.

What do you expect Gasly to do differently? Not only is Verstappen way better than both of them, but RBR is a team made for Max right now. Everything focused on making him world champion. Both Gasly and Albon were, in case of Albon are being and in case of Gasly would again be demolished by Max.

Horner & Marco seem happy with Albon and know what the reason he is under performing. We are going by what we see and he could be a rolling test bed for the other car for all we know.

However, I too feel he is losing his reputation and getting closer to the door each week.
I think Albon is a good driver and don't know why he is not performing at Red Bull, but as you say, it looks ominous. Shame they can not put both drivers in the same cat for a test session and compare head to head as I like Gasly too

[alexx_88]

Or maybe Max is on another level? This looks similar to Alonso vs Vandoorne or what would've happened if Hamilton would be paired with an inexperienced good (but not exceptional) driver. That's why bottas is such a gem for Mercedes. Just 1-2 tenths behind in pace normally and just a great character for 2nd driver

[PlatinumZealot]

Well he was faster than Ricciardo after a few months of learning the ropes... Or redbull favouring him more and more. Take your pick.

[Wynters]

Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.

Drop Albon, who nearly outscored Verstappen last season and should have had a race win already this season (without the Hamilton collision), and replace him with the person Verstappen lapped (twice?) last season?

Really?

[djos]

One thing I think today has confirmed is that Perez’s days are numbered. If Hulkenberg can come into the team completely cold and do that then why couldn’t Perez get more out of it.

I know it’s not as simple as that but if RP are seriously thinking of replacing Perez today may just be the final nail.

Perez didn't take part at Silverstone so it is unfair to say that.
What we do know is Perez is the overall better driver to Hulk, though they are closely matched. Same Tier as Ricciardo.

Seriously? In Riccardo category? Give me one example where Perez pulled a decent pass in a combat. All. I remember is his clumsy driving.

Clumsy is being too kind, imo he’s F1’s dirtiest driver.

[drunkf1fan]

I can easily post a few more.

And you could just as easily find a bunch of clips that show how good Perez is, this doesn’t prove anything.

Please go ahead and post if you have. It does prove he is clumsy and has costed the team a hell of lot of points and dollars. Definitely not in a top draw category like Riccardo, to whom @Platinumzealot was comparing Perez to.

He's costed the team a lot? He's quite literally the only man not in a Merc, Ferrari or RBR to get consistent podiums in the hybrid era. he got 5 podiums and 10 top 5 finishes in a team with Hulk who got either 4 or 5 top 5 finishes but no podiums. There is literally no other driver bringing in podiums consistently outside of the top three teams because he has such strong race pace and so consistently stays out of trouble.

Hulk has some of the more dangerous crashes in F1 and outside of Grosjean is the most crashprone driver on the grid.

He was very lucky for both the halo and a generally lucky reputation to get away with an absolute --- braindead late braking move in Spa where without the halo Leclerc may very well be dead or brain damaged right now. He flipped his own car by turning in on Grosjean in Abu Dhabi where he ended up stuck in a car on fire upside down on the barriers. He crashed into Perez and other team mates multiple times over the years.

Literally these two had the same car for 3 years and Perez pulled off performances Hulk couldn't and was in far less crashes than Hulk in that period. THese two have had 3 full years together to compare and there was a clear as day winner and that's before you mention that Perez brings in like 25mil in sponsorship to the team.

Having good qualifying pace one time in Silverstone doesn't mean much of anything, race pace is what matters in F1. Hulk has had a few good potential performances, pole in Brazil... then --- it with a stupid crash taking out Hamilton as well. Every time he has a shot at a podium he blows it.

Thinking Hulk is a better driver because of one qualifying session and bringing up multiple ridiculous reasons Perez should go, in which in each metric Hulk is obviously worse, it's crazy.

Every driver up and down the grid has had crashes and cost their team money in repairs, that's part of racing, but accusing Perez of this, the only guy getting podiums in non top 3 cars... it's entirely laughable. Outside of Stroll no one brings as much team sponsorship and money with him and no one consistently brings as much coverage with podiums to their team from the midfield and below teams than Perez. He's been consistently the most valuable midfield driver since 2014.

[JordanMugen]

At least Vettel doesn't have to start on Softs
I don't understand why he's that slow, it doesn't look too bad from the onboard.

"That is everything from the car"... That's why Vettel is not a top driver -- blaming the car, instead of following Leclerc's data which shows that there IS more laptime available in the car.

It's a poor attitude and reeks of insufficient self-criticism... You don't hear Albon making such statements that the car has no more to offer.

[JordanMugen]

Yeah Vettel cannot be THAT Much slower!

Unless they've stopped sharing data etc with him?

Maybe so. Vettel was hinting that something’s up.

Absurd. The most logical explanation is simply that Leclerc is a superior driver with a more sophisticated technique.

We saw Webber sometimes sliding around all over to place to P5 on the grid, while Vettel cruised to an easy pole position. Webber never blamed the car because the car was more than capable of a better lap and it was the driver and his technique at fault.

Vettel's over-confidence and lack of self-criticism is hugely detrimental to a racing team. He has the chance to put on Leclerc's setup, he has the chance to duplicate Leclerc's inputs... Why is he blaming the car instead of blaming his own driving!?

[Zynerji]

Unless they've stopped sharing data etc with him?

Maybe so. Vettel was hinting that something’s up.

Absurd. The most logical explanation is simply that Leclerc is a superior driver with a more sophisticated technique.

We saw Webber sometimes sliding around all over to place to P5 on the grid, while Vettel cruised to an easy pole position. Webber never blamed the car because the car was more than capable of a better lap and it was the driver and his technique at fault.

Vettel's over-confidence and lack of self-criticism is hugely detrimental to a racing team. He has the chance to put on Leclerc's setup, he has the chance to duplicate Leclerc's inputs... Why is he blaming the car instead of blaming his own driving!?

Who cares? I'm sure everyone eventually gets demotivated by an untouchable Mercedes for 7 straight years.

We will see what changes with the 2022 reset.

[GPR-A]

And you could just as easily find a bunch of clips that show how good Perez is, this doesn’t prove anything.

Please go ahead and post if you have. It does prove he is clumsy and has costed the team a hell of lot of points and dollars. Definitely not in a top draw category like Riccardo, to whom @Platinumzealot was comparing Perez to.

He's costed the team a lot? He's quite literally the only man not in a Merc, Ferrari or RBR to get consistent podiums in the hybrid era. he got 5 podiums and 10 top 5 finishes in a team with Hulk who got either 4 or 5 top 5 finishes but no podiums. There is literally no other driver bringing in podiums consistently outside of the top three teams because he has such strong race pace and so consistently stays out of trouble.

Hulk has some of the more dangerous crashes in F1 and outside of Grosjean is the most crashprone driver on the grid.

He was very lucky for both the halo and a generally lucky reputation to get away with an absolute --- braindead late braking move in Spa where without the halo Leclerc may very well be dead or brain damaged right now. He flipped his own car by turning in on Grosjean in Abu Dhabi where he ended up stuck in a car on fire upside down on the barriers. He crashed into Perez and other team mates multiple times over the years.

Literally these two had the same car for 3 years and Perez pulled off performances Hulk couldn't and was in far less crashes than Hulk in that period. THese two have had 3 full years together to compare and there was a clear as day winner and that's before you mention that Perez brings in like 25mil in sponsorship to the team.

Having good qualifying pace one time in Silverstone doesn't mean much of anything, race pace is what matters in F1. Hulk has had a few good potential performances, pole in Brazil... then --- it with a stupid crash taking out Hamilton as well. Every time he has a shot at a podium he blows it.

Thinking Hulk is a better driver because of one qualifying session and bringing up multiple ridiculous reasons Perez should go, in which in each metric Hulk is obviously worse, it's crazy.

Every driver up and down the grid has had crashes and cost their team money in repairs, that's part of racing, but accusing Perez of this, the only guy getting podiums in non top 3 cars... it's entirely laughable. Outside of Stroll no one brings as much team sponsorship and money with him and no one consistently brings as much coverage with podiums to their team from the midfield and below teams than Perez. He's been consistently the most valuable midfield driver since 2014.

Howa. I never said Hulk is better than him. Read back the posts. The argument is, @Platinumzealot said he belongs to the category of Riccardo, which is what this is all about. When it comes to money, even Maldonado brought a great deal with him and you can argue, he costed less on wasted car parts and he even had a win under his belt! Some lucky podiums for Perez, yes. But there is more mess to see a few shiny parts scattered there. To me, he is in an elite league of Kvyat, Magnussen and Grosjean. All entertainers, who keep Bernd Maylander honest.