2020 Formula 1 70th Anniversary Grand Prix - Silverstone, August 7-9

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drunkf1fan wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 03:40
GPR-A wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 20:55
zeph wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 20:51


And you could just as easily find a bunch of clips that show how good Perez is, this doesn’t prove anything.
Please go ahead and post if you have. It does prove he is clumsy and has costed the team a hell of lot of points and dollars. Definitely not in a top draw category like Riccardo, to whom @Platinumzealot was comparing Perez to.
He's costed the team a lot? He's quite literally the only man not in a Merc, Ferrari or RBR to get consistent podiums in the hybrid era. he got 5 podiums and 10 top 5 finishes in a team with Hulk who got either 4 or 5 top 5 finishes but no podiums. There is literally no other driver bringing in podiums consistently outside of the top three teams because he has such strong race pace and so consistently stays out of trouble.

Hulk has some of the more dangerous crashes in F1 and outside of Grosjean is the most crashprone driver on the grid.

He was very lucky for both the halo and a generally lucky reputation to get away with an absolute --- braindead late braking move in Spa where without the halo Leclerc may very well be dead or brain damaged right now. He flipped his own car by turning in on Grosjean in Abu Dhabi where he ended up stuck in a car on fire upside down on the barriers. He crashed into Perez and other team mates multiple times over the years.

Literally these two had the same car for 3 years and Perez pulled off performances Hulk couldn't and was in far less crashes than Hulk in that period. THese two have had 3 full years together to compare and there was a clear as day winner and that's before you mention that Perez brings in like 25mil in sponsorship to the team.

Having good qualifying pace one time in Silverstone doesn't mean much of anything, race pace is what matters in F1. Hulk has had a few good potential performances, pole in Brazil... then --- it with a stupid crash taking out Hamilton as well. Every time he has a shot at a podium he blows it.

Thinking Hulk is a better driver because of one qualifying session and bringing up multiple ridiculous reasons Perez should go, in which in each metric Hulk is obviously worse, it's crazy.

Every driver up and down the grid has had crashes and cost their team money in repairs, that's part of racing, but accusing Perez of this, the only guy getting podiums in non top 3 cars... it's entirely laughable. Outside of Stroll no one brings as much team sponsorship and money with him and no one consistently brings as much coverage with podiums to their team from the midfield and below teams than Perez. He's been consistently the most valuable midfield driver since 2014.
Don't waste your time some people just simply don't want to see Perez at all in F1 so for them the idea of him being replaced is wonderfull**. Remember he's always had to achieve a lot more then others to be regarded on equal terms to drivers who haven't achieved anything. Look at how much Hulk is respected for getting one P3 in Qualifying and in a pink Merc.
At the same time look how little Perez is respected for having multiple podiums in cars not worthy of a podium.
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Zynerji wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 05:00
JordanMugen wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 04:12
Restomaniac wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 15:47
Maybe so. Vettel was hinting that something’s up.
Absurd. The most logical explanation is simply that Leclerc is a superior driver with a more sophisticated technique.

We saw Webber sometimes sliding around all over to place to P5 on the grid, while Vettel cruised to an easy pole position. Webber never blamed the car because the car was more than capable of a better lap and it was the driver and his technique at fault.

Vettel's over-confidence and lack of self-criticism is hugely detrimental to a racing team. He has the chance to put on Leclerc's setup, he has the chance to duplicate Leclerc's inputs... Why is he blaming the car instead of blaming his own driving!?
Who cares? I'm sure everyone eventually gets demotivated by an untouchable Mercedes for 7 straight years.

We will see what changes with the 2022 reset.
No changes in 2022 unless mercedes retires. This is engine dominated formula

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JordanMugen wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 04:09
MtthsMlw wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 15:46
At least Vettel doesn't have to start on Softs :lol:
I don't understand why he's that slow, it doesn't look too bad from the onboard.
"That is everything from the car"... That's why Vettel is not a top driver -- blaming the car, instead of following Leclerc's data which shows that there IS more laptime available in the car. :roll:

It's a poor attitude and reeks of insufficient self-criticism... You don't hear Albon making such statements that the car has no more to offer. :roll:
I am sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I wont be surprised if Vettel will be handicapped this year by Ferrari not allowing access to Leclerc's data, new parts or for that matter sufficient time on simulator

Vettel is a 4 time World Champion with huge amount of experience, I dont think he would have forgotten how to drive a F1 car.

F1 drivers are very sensitive to how their car behaves. It is also quite possible that Ferrari has designed a car to suit Leclerc's driving style which is handicapping Vettel

In view of this, I believe he is absolutely right to say that - This is all I had and could extract max from the car

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How much tires are left per driver? Does anyone find the table?
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basti313 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:53
How much tires are left per driver? Does anyone find the table?
doesn't look like Pirelli has released it yet. So this is from my own records only:

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(numbers in brackets show the laps completed on those sets)
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basti313 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:53
How much tires are left per driver? Does anyone find the table?
Ask and you shall receive.

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Wynters wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 02:58
NathanOlder wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 22:38
Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.
Drop Albon, who nearly outscored Verstappen last season and should have had a race win already this season (without the Hamilton collision), and replace him with the person Verstappen lapped (twice?) last season?

Really?
Yes. Albon who was nowhere in Austria and lucked in to a shot at the win with safety car screwing the Mercs over.
Albon who was outscored by Kvyat when they were team mates, Albon who scored a few more points in 9 races than max did in the last 4 races. Albon is rubbish. always has been, I've watched him for the last 5 yrs! He's not good enough
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NathanOlder wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 10:35
Wynters wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 02:58
NathanOlder wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 22:38
Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.
Drop Albon, who nearly outscored Verstappen last season and should have had a race win already this season (without the Hamilton collision), and replace him with the person Verstappen lapped (twice?) last season?

Really?
Yes. Albon who was nowhere in Austria and lucked in to a shot at the win with safety car screwing the Mercs over.
Albon who was outscored by Kvyat when they were team mates, Albon who scored a few more points in 9 races than max did in the last 4 races. Albon is rubbish. always has been, I've watched him for the last 5 yrs! He's not good enough
Hol' up.

I seem to remember the same wave of criticism for Gasly when he was going through the same issues. How about realising that the RBR is not a walk in the park. Albon is a rookie still. And yes, there are others that are performing better than him. But i tend to believe that the weights are so much in Max's corner from Horner and RBR that you could put anyone barring Seb/Hamilton in that car, and they would struggle. Hell i believe even the two would. When so much set-up and chassis development has gone into Max's side of the garage, i hardly believe we are seeing Alex's real pace in that car.

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damager21 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:45
It is also quite possible that Ferrari has designed a car to suit Leclerc's driving style which is handicapping Vettel
This excuse doesn't fly for Albon or Gasly against Verstappen, so I'm not sure how Vettel can claim it! The solution for Gasly complaining about the handling was dropping Gasly entirely, Ferrari have applied the same solution. :shock:

damager21 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:45
I am sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I wont be surprised if Vettel will be handicapped this year by Ferrari not allowing access to Leclerc's data, new parts or for that matter sufficient time on simulator
It is very unlikely Ferrari would deliberately handicap their drivers (apart from with dumb strategies, but that happens to both Ferrari drivers!).

Why would Red Bull handicap their reigning 4xWDC in 2014 either? Unfortunately, I think it's just deficiencies in Vettel's driving technique.
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JordanMugen wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 11:24
damager21 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:45
It is also quite possible that Ferrari has designed a car to suit Leclerc's driving style which is handicapping Vettel
This excuse doesn't fly for Albon or Gasly against Verstappen, so I'm not sure how Vettel can claim it! The solution for Gasly complaining about the handling was dropping Gasly entirely, Ferrari have applied the same solution. :shock:

The notion Red Bull or Ferrari would deliberately sabotage the second car is absurd. Of course the car handling will be tailored to the lead driver's preference and it is up to the second driver to drive with the same setup as the lead driver. This setup restriction did not hamper Ricciardo at all, despite coming into a team where Vettel was the lead driver, likewise this restriction did not hamper Leclerc in the 2019 season despite coming into a team where Vettel was the lead driver!

It almost seems as if Vettel refuses to accept his second driver status and drive with Leclerc's setup accordingly. :wink:
IF anyone has questions about Sebastian's performance this year i would recommend seeing his last year with RBR.

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Another Front Left failure. This time in F2 (different compounds and types I know) I think back to the state of the Ferrari Front Left yesterday.

I can’t see any team taking any risks today.

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NathanOlder wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 10:35
Wynters wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 02:58
NathanOlder wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 22:38
Gasly needs his seat back now. Albon showing he's not up to it, despite the team putting what appears 'no pressure' at all on him. Gasly was pushed so hard last year and was in the car after Ricciardo so the team wanted similar results. now the team have much lower expectations for their 2nd driver, Gasly should be able to go in to the team a bit more steady and the team should have learned from their mistakes on the way they handled Gasly in 2019. Get Pierre back in and drop Albon asap.
Drop Albon, who nearly outscored Verstappen last season and should have had a race win already this season (without the Hamilton collision), and replace him with the person Verstappen lapped (twice?) last season?

Really?
Yes. Albon who was nowhere in Austria and lucked in to a shot at the win with safety car screwing the Mercs over.
Albon who was outscored by Kvyat when they were team mates, Albon who scored a few more points in 9 races than max did in the last 4 races. Albon is rubbish. always has been, I've watched him for the last 5 yrs! He's not good enough
Yes Albon is overrated, He lucked into those potions last year and this year...apart from that he is no where near Verstappen's pace and he also is error prone and also crashing with others.

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some laps from q3

hulk p3


bottas p1


verstappen vs ricciardo


gasly vs leclerc

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Phew

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MtthsMlw wrote:Phew
Awesome race, really enjoyed that. F2 race was also interesting last few laps