2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - Mugello, September 11 - 13

[Wass85]

You do realise it was both of their first q3 run times that counted right? So the extra run means nothings at all?
Hamilton regularly does 2 runs good enough for pole where bottas can't even get close with his second run.

well, no. They are usually within a couple of hundreths. Sure, Bottas had a poor weekend in Spa, but more often than not it's very, very close between those two in Qualifying. In the two races before and after Spa, the gap was 0,059s, 0,069s, 0,059s and 0,063

Don't let facts get in the way of a good myth.

[PlatinumZealot]

You do realise it was both of their first q3 run times that counted right? So the extra run means nothings at all?
Hamilton regularly does 2 runs good enough for pole where bottas can't even get close with his second run.

well, no. They are usually within a couple of hundreths. Sure, Bottas had a poor weekend in Spa, but more often than not it's very, very close between those two in Qualifying. In the two races before and after Spa, the gap was 0,059s, 0,069s, 0,059s and 0,063

For Bottas - Hamilton this is what I got.
positive means Bottas is slower.

All sessions, no context.
Median 0.0690
Average 0.2746

Fastest and slowest removed.
Median 0.069s
Average 0.158s

So Bottas typically runs Hamilton close. Half of the time he is within 7 hundredths. But his average is higher due times he got tonked in qualifying, this increases to 1.6 tenths.

Overall Bottas is a very quick driver.

He is in the elite tier when it comes to qualifying speed.

[dans79]

He has improved on his second run quite often this year.

Most drivers do, because the first lap is a banker. However, we also see lots of drivers not improving because the track has evolved between the 1st and second run (wind speed increases, track temp rises, etc).

[Wass85]

He has improved on his second run quite often this year.

Most drivers do, because the first lap is a banker. However, we also see lots of drivers not improving because the track has evolved between the 1st and second run (wind speed increases, track temp rises, etc).

We can only speculate but Bottas seems to think his first lap was far from ideal whereas the onboard of Hamilton's lap looked spot on to me.

[NathanOlder]

Famous last words, I'll be very surprised to see him on pole today.

You were saying??

Got off lightly there though as he had a poor second lap.

Funny, as well as getting the prediction so wrong. You also praised Bottas in FP3 for getting out early in clear air ect ect. Lewis did that in Q3, Bottas hung back in the pack. Guess you better start praising Lewis for that then... fairs fair.

[Wass85]

You were saying??

Got off lightly there though as he had a poor second lap.

Funny, as well as getting the prediction so wrong. You also praised Bottas in FP3 for getting out early in clear air ect ect. Lewis did that in Q3, Bottas hung back in the pack. Guess you better start praising Lewis for that then... fairs fair.

The situation is nothing alike though.

Bottas was probably wrong to do what he did as I feel it would have compromised his preparation.

Still, he is way too close in ultimate speed to Hamilton for my liking.

[NathanOlder]

Got off lightly there though as he had a poor second lap.

Funny, as well as getting the prediction so wrong. You also praised Bottas in FP3 for getting out early in clear air ect ect. Lewis did that in Q3, Bottas hung back in the pack. Guess you better start praising Lewis for that then... fairs fair.

The situation is nothing alike though.

Bottas was probably wrong to do what he did as I feel it would have compromised his preparation.

Still, he is way too close in ultimate speed to Hamilton for my liking.

Hamilton vs Bottas in qualy is usually close. Hamilton vs Bottas in race pace is rarely close. Fear not Ham Fan.

[NathanOlder]

I thought I saw that Lewis went out again in Q1 after a setup change

You can't change setup before a second run. Once you leave the garage for the first time in Q1, the setup is frozen.

[Wass85]

Funny, as well as getting the prediction so wrong. You also praised Bottas in FP3 for getting out early in clear air ect ect. Lewis did that in Q3, Bottas hung back in the pack. Guess you better start praising Lewis for that then... fairs fair.

The situation is nothing alike though.

Bottas was probably wrong to do what he did as I feel it would have compromised his preparation.

Still, he is way too close in ultimate speed to Hamilton for my liking.

Hamilton vs Bottas in qualy is usually close. Hamilton vs Bottas in race pace is rarely close. Fear not Ham Fan.

I just don't think he should be this close in ultimate speed to the soon to be most successful driver of all time.

[Zynerji]

I'm not impressed by Vettel and Albon. Same 3 and 4 tenths gap to teammate respectively. Vettel paid a steeper price and Albon was lucky.

I want to agree with the Vettel statement, but watching the onboards, his car simply does not seem to accelerate like Leclerc's car does. It like the wheel bearings are not as smooth. Not making excuses, but you can hear the difference while accelerating...

I rarely play video games these days, but the announcement of Muggello was interesting enough for me to break out the steering wheel and Assetto corsa. I did some practice runs till I could lap without spinning off, and one thing I can say is that you have to nail these quick corners to keep the speed up through the lap. If you mess up the first corner say in one of the chicanes your top speed will be greatly affected coming out the second corner. I think that was happening with Vettel and Leclerc. Leclerc was just hooking up better in the turns.

Fair enough. Vettels engine just sounds more labored, but I'm watching a stream, so sound fidelity isn't the greatest...

[TAG]

I thought I saw that Lewis went out again in Q1 after a setup change

You can't change setup before a second run. Once you leave the garage for the first time in Q1, the setup is frozen.

Tire pressure changes are allowed and they make them.

[holeindalip]

I thought I saw that Lewis went out again in Q1 after a setup change

You can't change setup before a second run. Once you leave the garage for the first time in Q1, the setup is frozen.

No it’s not, you can make front wing changes, tire pressure, fuel load, differential setting changes, which isn’t a great amount of stuff but it can still be tweaked a bit

[cooken]

I thought I saw that Lewis went out again in Q1 after a setup change

You can't change setup before a second run. Once you leave the garage for the first time in Q1, the setup is frozen.

Tire pressure changes are allowed and they make them.

Do they not all just run the minimum pressure?

[PlatinumZealot]

Hamilton vs Bottas in qualy is usually close. Hamilton vs Bottas in race pace is rarely close. Fear not Ham Fan.

I just don't think he should be this close in ultimate speed to the soon to be most successful driver of all time.

I don't follow. Weren't you strongly suggesting in this very thread that Bottas rightfully deserves to be on pole.

[Wass85]

Hamilton vs Bottas in qualy is usually close. Hamilton vs Bottas in race pace is rarely close. Fear not Ham Fan.

I just don't think he should be this close in ultimate speed to the soon to be most successful driver of all time.

I don't follow. Weren't you strongly suggesting in this very thread that Bottas rightfully deserves to be on pole.

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How does he?

I do think however he would have gone faster on his second run though.