2020 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Nov 27 - 29

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smellybeard wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:29
Happy that he's ok but Grosjean needs his ass kicked when it's fully recovered. Terrible lack of awareness and a very violent change of direction. The FIA need to start handing out heavy bans for that kind of life-risking behaviour. Too many drivers feel invulnerable.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:44
DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:34
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:25


100kg of petrol wouldn't be put out by a couple of hand held fire extinguishers. It would need a full fire appliance to deal with that much fuel. Trust me, they'#d use every hand held extinguisher on the track to put out 100kgs of fuel.

2 litres of petrol (nearly half a gallon) is a lot of fuel.

Much of the fluid on the floor will have been coolant.
So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?
2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
Obviously you never saw an f1 car crash where the tank ruptured.

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Check Mark Sutton’s IG. Looks like the fuel cell got pulled with the driver pod.


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smellybeard wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:29
Happy that he's ok but Grosjean needs his ass kicked when it's fully recovered. Terrible lack of awareness and a very violent change of direction. The FIA need to start handing out heavy bans for that kind of life-risking behaviour. Too many drivers feel invulnerable.
He ran over some debris but not confirmed if he reacted ti that or the alfa romeo on his left. It was crazy the steering lock he had on.
For his own good I am glad the he is leaving the sport.
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By the way. Does anyone have on-board grosjean footage. The one broadcast cut away before he even touched the barrier.

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We need better fire extinguishing too. That one guy wasn’t doing anything. The other guy created just enough space for grosjean to make his escape.

Lesson have to be learned. The angle, the barrier itself. This has to be improved. What a danger the drivers are still in.

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mzso wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:38
By the way. Does anyone have on-board grosjean footage. The one broadcast cut away before he even touched the barrier.
And for good reason.

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mzso wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:35
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:44
DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:34


So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?
2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
Obviously you never saw an f1 car crash where the tank ruptured.
You think you can put out 100kg of petrol with a hand held fire extinguisher? Good luck with that.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:13
Feel for Perez and the Racing Point guys there.


I do but sheepishly it`s worked out well, I had Gasly top 6 @ 3/1...

Maybe Franz Tost will have a rethink after this race!

When Perez stopped there it looked like the [powder] onboard fire extinguisher had gone off, I wonder if this helped Roman in any way, It should have deployed.

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Sieper wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:39
We need better fire extinguishing too. That one guy wasn’t doing anything. The other guy created just enough space for grosjean to make his escape.

Lesson have to be learned. The angle, the barrier itself. This has to be improved. What a danger the drivers are still in.
I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the heat. You still feel it in fire suits, let alone trying to breath.

I find it more incredible Romain doesn’t have lung damage from breathing. The fire suits are great, they keep your skin from burning up, but if the air is hundreds of degrees F, it does no good.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:41
mzso wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:35
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:44

2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
Obviously you never saw an f1 car crash where the tank ruptured.
You think you can put out 100kg of petrol with a hand held fire extinguisher? Good luck with that.
They aren’t using your father’s fire extinguishers. Check these pictures again, the fuel cell ruptured and got pulled with the driver’s cell

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Fire marshals looked a tad leisurely. This crash reminded me Bergers crash at Imola. The marshals there were very rapid:


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Hoffman900 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:35
Check Mark Sutton’s IG. Looks like the fuel cell got pulled with the driver pod.

Can safely say it is a leaking line that caused the fire. Fuel cell not ruptured obviously but yeah continuous flames withiught a big ass explosion suggesting continuous leaking line imo..
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:45
Hoffman900 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:35
Check Mark Sutton’s IG. Looks like the fuel cell got pulled with the driver pod.

Can safely say it is a leaking line that caused the fire. Fuel cell not ruptured obviously but yeah continuous flames withiught a big ass explosion suggesting continuous leaking line imo..
I disagree. I’ve seen fuel cells ruptured and they look like that. It’s happen several times in amateur / minor ranks circle tracks and has happened in NASCAR where you have cars traveling at 190mph making hard impacts into barriers and with each other.

A line would be a point source.
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Hoffman900 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:42
Sieper wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 19:39
We need better fire extinguishing too. That one guy wasn’t doing anything. The other guy created just enough space for grosjean to make his escape.

Lesson have to be learned. The angle, the barrier itself. This has to be improved. What a danger the drivers are still in.
I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the heat. You still feel it in fire suits, let alone trying to breath.

I find it more incredible Romain doesn’t have lung damage from breathing. The fire suits are great, they keep your skin from burning up, but if the air is hundreds of degrees F, it does no good.
That is why I am saying we need better fire extinguishing. If Romain would have been unconscious, if he would have been stuck. The monoque went straight through the barrier, that is not a good thing but at the same time it allowed him to escape. We really somehow escaped a tragedy. But we need improved safety. This was incredible.