2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[zibby43]

No one cares that RBR sacrificed Perez (again) for Max.

So when Merc tell Bottas to pull over for Hamilton tomorrow so he can get 3 points (since BOT is starting at the back anyway), there is not going to be a peep about it.

Right?

Haha exactly!

[Mr.S]

Incredible lap by Verstappen. Perez was the 1st runner so everyone else had a slipstream including Hamilton. Mercedes on pace was 3-4 tenths ahead of RB but Max closed that gap to almost nothing when it mattered & Lewis Hamilton again failed to deliver when it mattered.

Interesting to see both Mercedes & RB sacrificing both their 2nd drivers - Bottas & Perez were the 1st guys on track - Bottas overtook Gio & ran without a tow. And so did Perez. Also Bottas' engine penalty will help Hamilton if he has that extra tenth or 2 with the new engine to finish ahead of Max. He will let Hamilton go & LH gets 3 points, Bottas 2 & Max 1 (if Max can keep the Mclarens behind).

Both teams utterly ruthless but 1 lead driver delivering while the other is a shade behind. Mclarens being so close is expected @ Monza, Gasly with a great lap & so did Gio for Alfa Romeo.

[NathanOlder]

No one cares that RBR sacrificed Perez (again) for Max.

So when Merc tell Bottas to pull over for Hamilton tomorrow so he can get 3 points (since BOT is starting at the back anyway), there is not going to be a peep about it.

Right?

I even think Mercedes will let Bottas stay ahead if he stays ahead in to turn 1.

They’ll just be throwing away points to Verstappen if they do that. Remember, it’s 3-2-1 for the top 3 finishers tomorrow.

In a championship where RBR are sacrificing Perez at every opportunity.

Yeah , I just feel they wont put that on Bottas for 1 point. They would if it was a sunday, but not on a sat race. We shall see. Hopefully they get away 1-2 and we may well find out.

[NathanOlder]

Max closed that gap to almost nothing when it mattered

You do realise Max finished over 4 tenths off pole

[dans79]

There is only a slipstream, it doesn't "double".

For the love go man, everyone knows it it's a diminishing returns type of deal, no one said it doubles. More cars provide a stronger effect, but it's not linear, more like exponentially decreasing!

It's a negligible effect that doesn't deserve the title of "double".

People are saying double because it was from 2 cars, not because it has double the effect......

[zibby43]

I even think Mercedes will let Bottas stay ahead if he stays ahead in to turn 1.

They’ll just be throwing away points to Verstappen if they do that. Remember, it’s 3-2-1 for the top 3 finishers tomorrow.

In a championship where RBR are sacrificing Perez at every opportunity.

Yeah , I just feel they wont put that on Bottas for 1 point. They would if it was a sunday, but not on a sat race. We shall see. Hopefully they get away 1-2 and we may well find out.

Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?

[Mr.S]

So I had a look at some telemetries. It seems norris either had an issue with PU or ran out of charge out of ascari and on the run to parabolica. He was 7 kmh off ricciardo (325 vs 332) and started to de-rate much earlier and harder. Without this it seems P3 was on the cards for him today.

It probably was. It was mega lap by Max even with the tow (which everyone bar Perez had). Mclaren this weekend is quicker than RB. RB possibly 3-4 tenths down on Merc, Mclaren possibly a tenth quicker or atleast on same pace as RB. Max will struggle to keep Norris behind him with DRS on.

Anyways I think Mercedes did a blunder with Bottas. Their car being 3-4 tenths quicker would have allowed Bottas to get to P2 even with the old engine & if he started P4-P5. P11 or P12 is just too behind. On pure pace, Hamilton, Bottas, Norris & Ricciardo are all quicker than RB. And if the podium is a Hamilton-Verstappen-Norris with Perez finishing ahead of Bottas, RB will be quite happy !

[NathanOlder]

They’ll just be throwing away points to Verstappen if they do that. Remember, it’s 3-2-1 for the top 3 finishers tomorrow.

In a championship where RBR are sacrificing Perez at every opportunity.

Yeah , I just feel they wont put that on Bottas for 1 point. They would if it was a sunday, but not on a sat race. We shall see. Hopefully they get away 1-2 and we may well find out.

Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?

Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens

[Hoffman900]

A double draft in my book was you got a draft off one, got by it, and caught the draft of the car (or bike) in front of that one.

So you effectively extended your draft time.

[Mr.S]

Max closed that gap to almost nothing when it mattered

You do realise Max finished over 4 tenths off pole

Which is irrelevant, Bottas will take 2 points & Max 1 in the sprint race (if he can keep the Mclarens behind). Realistically the RB was slower than Mercedes & Mclaren & should have been 5th. To start 3rd for the sprint & potentially 2nd for the race (with Bottas penalty) is great for RB.

And LH was less than 1 tenth ahead while having a car 3-4 tenths ahead & had a tow in his lap, so Max/RB should be happy !

[zibby43]

Yeah , I just feel they wont put that on Bottas for 1 point. They would if it was a sunday, but not on a sat race. We shall see. Hopefully they get away 1-2 and we may well find out.

Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?

Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens

I think that’s the perfect strategy.

That’s the sort of ruthless tactic RBR would employ. And Merc need to get with the program.

[Mr.S]

Yeah , I just feel they wont put that on Bottas for 1 point. They would if it was a sunday, but not on a sat race. We shall see. Hopefully they get away 1-2 and we may well find out.

Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?

Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens

In which case Max will get DRS & will try to overtake Bottas who will not have DRS (now that may or may not work).

And Max will have slipstream behind Bottas as well ! I am not sure if that is a great idea for Monza ! The Mclarens are quick enough to overtake RB without Bottas trying some ridiculous idea !

[NathanOlder]

Max closed that gap to almost nothing when it mattered

You do realise Max finished over 4 tenths off pole

Which is irrelevant, Bottas will take 2 points & Max 1 in the sprint race (if he can keep the Mclarens behind). Realistically the RB was slower than Mercedes & Mclaren & should have been 5th. To start 3rd for the sprint & potentially 2nd for the race (with Bottas penalty) is great for RB.

And LH was less than 1 tenth ahead while having a car 3-4 tenths ahead & had a tow in his lap, so Max/RB should be happy !

wtf are you on about. Look at the results! or open your eyes! Lewis was over 3 tenths ahead of Max!

Stop trying to make trouble, you look foolish now you don't even understand how the leaderboard works!

[Mr.S]

Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?

Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens

I think that’s the perfect strategy.

That’s the sort of ruthless tactic RBR would employ. And Merc need to get with the program.

And give him DRS & slip-stream, great. Only chance for Max to finish 2nd & get 2 points in the Sprint race !

[Mr.S]

You do realise Max finished over 4 tenths off pole

Which is irrelevant, Bottas will take 2 points & Max 1 in the sprint race (if he can keep the Mclarens behind). Realistically the RB was slower than Mercedes & Mclaren & should have been 5th. To start 3rd for the sprint & potentially 2nd for the race (with Bottas penalty) is great for RB.

And LH was less than 1 tenth ahead while having a car 3-4 tenths ahead & had a tow in his lap, so Max/RB should be happy !

wtf are you on about. Look at the results! or open your eyes! Lewis was over 3 tenths ahead of Max!

Stop trying to make trouble, you look foolish now you don't even understand how the leaderboard works!

In the 1st lap of Q3, they were which essentially allowed Max to finish ahead of Norris & Ricciardo !

Lewis did improve on the 2nd lap but he was less than 1 tenth ahead of Max in his 1st lap in Q3 & that allowed Max to start in P3 (which can become P2) potentially with Bottas penalty. Being ahead of Bottas & within 1 tenth of Hamilton in his 1st Q3 lap was amazing !