2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[chrisc90]

This is a total contrast to last weeks "do what you want’

Elaborate please? Dont follow you

Last week people were getting pushed off the grid left and right, no foul. George kept his line on the inside and was penalised. Different situations, but doesn’t seem consistent plus how many times have we being told clashes on the 1st lap are judged lenient.

As the document says, only when in a large pack of cars. The cars were ‘strung out’ at that point in lap 1.

If it had been the same crash at turn 1 rather than 4, I’d imagine it would go down as ‘1st lap incident’

[chrisc90]

I’m actually amazed the Mercedes’/GR fans are trying to stick up for him here.
Maybe they should take their concerns to the stewards who made the decision.

[wogx]

How on earth can you brake whilst at the limit of lateral grip? A Tyre cannot magically offer up imaginary grip.

Maybe he could lift off instead of braking?

[Hammerfist]

What could gr have done? His corner was set and began before Perez went on the outside. What, within the laws of physics could gr have done?

That is what is frustrating. No driver could do anything

He could have braked. Once Perez got fully alongside and edged ahead george should be thinking how can i avoid contact there. This corner has been heavily policed the last few years and the car on the outside usually goes in the gravel and the guy on the inside gets penalized. Off the top of my head i remember Hamilton vs Albon 2020, Norris vs somebody in 2021 and this year there are two more. If it was me I would not even attempt an overtake on the outside there, it seems to always end badly. Perez should have been more patient.

How on earth can you brake whilst at the limit of lateral grip? A Tyre cannot magically offer up imaginary grip.

Sorry to say this but, is this a troll response? You are on an f1 technical forum and think any racing car ever made in history an just magic force applying grip out of nowhere when on the limit?

This is not the right sport for you or the right place to discuss if these core basic cencepts are missing. Stick Netflix

He could certainly brake there or he could release the throttle a little bit. What you are talking about is nonsense, this is not a high speed corner and the driver can delay his application of the throttle to avoid traffic if needed. I have driven this corner in a sim probalby 1000 times and have been a close follower of F1 for 10+ years. So sit your ass down.

[dialtone]

Congrats to Leclerc on finally winning again after 5 races, and sadly the 2nd Ferrari 1-2 in a row that fizzles out in the last laps.



Well here's the race folks. Ferrari just had better tire degradation through the race, in fact it was kind of in its own race pace, followed by RBR which suffered in their front tire, particularly in S2, something that was already happening in the sprint race but with less fuel it was less problematic. After Ferrari pace comes VER's RBR, and then the 2 Mercs and then everyone else.

Sainz engine sadly exploded with lots of debris. In the F1TV replay at 1:15:00 on his onboard you can hear the engine sound during the failure, and IMHO it's the same thing that happened to Charles in Barcelona. The turbo spooled down overheating and burned the engine. Likely 4th PU in the next race.

Mercs pace was actually very decent on older tires towards the end of stints, also Ham's start made them basically to start around 18 seconds behind, HAM was lapping fine until lap 50, not sure why the last chunk of the race was slower but probably he just brought the car home.

Talking about lap times here's the top 4 drivers:



That end of stint pace from HAM really showing through as it's quite close to Ferrari, although still a few tenths slower, was anyway particularly good at the end of the 1st stint where it was matching Ferrari's times, who themselves were probably trying to extend their stint as much as possible to build a good differential with Verstappen.
VER tire deg was really bad today, with the full tank the car simply was churning through tires at double the speed of Mercs and Ferraris, on new tires his pace was more competitive but that only would last a few laps with the tank full, different story at the end but LEC also had a stuck pedal.
Last interesting bit from the top to check is the stuck throttle from Charles so here is it:


Easy to see that the throttle trace never goes to 0 on that Ferrari. Good thing for Charles that he was still so strong in the fast corners T6,7,8 at 2800-3000m because that's how he managed to still win the race and where Verstappen churned through his tires.
Basically opposite race that happened in Miami took place today, too bad Sainz engine blew up, reliability is a big concern at Ferrari but at least they went back to winning races.
cheers!

[wogx]

+2 penalty points for Russell

[214270]

ALO being a wiley old fox with the silence. I gather he’s under under investigation, so might not’ve gotten away with it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf

[Mogster]

George shouldn't be GP drivers association prez with his pr*ck and a**hole moves. Doesn't deserve to finish in the same place where he started for effectively destroying Checo's race. DIRTY Mercedes driver who took out Checo who would clearly have finished on the podium ahead of Hamilton. Two races in a row involved in causing a collision. Alonso should be GPDA prez.

Grosjean?

[torpor]

The Mercedes drivers unlikely finished better that 3-4 today so the team can live with this more than questionable decision against Russel. I never understood why - mostly Red Bull fans - always think that the responsibility to avoid a crash lies with the attacked car.
According to my understanding you just attack if you can ensure that your maneuver isn't ending in a crash given the attacked car stays on its current line.

[Watto]

Though the GR/SP incident was just a racing incident esp on lap 1. Don't know what GR options were really..

He was as tight as he could be, so turning more wasn’t a option.

Brake, you are talking milliseconds of Perez getting in front. To suddenly brake halfway round a corner?
It seemed one of the clearest incidents of racing incident I’ve seen

Especially when it was on lap 1. If it was later in the race maybe (even then I would lean towards a racing incident.

Seemed the stewards took a pretty part line to anything this weekend can't say I saw a fan I would prefer to see them lean on the side of caution ala Silverstone then this week

[ab_f1]

ALO being a wiley old fox with the silence. I gather he’s under under investigation, so might not’ve gotten away with it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf

Hats off to ingenuity of this man

[wogx]

[ab_f1]

[quote=dialtone post_id=1074635

https://i.imgur.com/vM4Aqz9.jpeg


Mercs pace was actually very decent on older tires towards the end of stints, also Ham's start made them basically to start around 18 seconds behind, HAM was lapping fine until lap 50, not sure why the last chunk of the race was slower but probably he just brought the car home.

Talking about lap times here's the top 4 drivers:

https://i.imgur.com/4bF4ZWu.png

That end of stint pace from HAM really showing through as it's quite close to Ferrari, although still a few tenths slower, was anyway particularly good at the end of the 1st stint where it was matching Ferrari's times, who themselves were probably trying to extend their stint as much as possible to build a good differential with Verstappen.
VER tire deg was really bad today, with the full tank the car simply was churning through tires at double the speed of Mercs and Ferraris, on new tires his pace was more competitive but that only would last a few laps with the tank full, different story at the end but LEC also had a stuck pedal.
Last interesting bit from the top to check is the stuck throttle from Charles so here is it:

https://i.imgur.com/JRcAn2S.jpeg
Easy to see that the throttle trace never goes to 0 on that Ferrari. Good thing for Charles that he was still so strong in the fast corners T6,7,8 at 2800-3000m because that's how he managed to still win the race and where Verstappen churned through his tires.
Basically opposite race that happened in Miami took place today, too bad Sainz engine blew up, reliability is a big concern at Ferrari but at least they went back to winning races.
cheers!
[/quote]

I think given on the edge of penalty (Track limits) Lewis just consolidated his position, especially given he was unlikely to challenge anyone in front.

I almost saw him a ft inside the track on last set of corners.

[RZS10]

ALO being a wiley old fox with the silence. I gather he’s under under investigation, so might not’ve gotten away with it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf

The grinding noise is nasty ... but ye ... clever ol' man

[PlatinumZealot]

Dear Ferrari.

Not again.

Kind regards,

Everyone but Red Bull.

Almost. At this point flip a coin.