2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Las Vegas, Nov 16 - 18

[Rikhart]

Alpine had much less damage than Ferrari and should still be refunded. Ferrari is this sport, alpine is on their 2nd year. Let’s not fling disrespect around so easily.

If ferrari vanished from the sport, not many but italians would miss it, frankly. I wouldn't miss it that much, it's been a meh team for close to two decades, more known for incompetence and skirting the rules than anything else.

Lmao. The other teams are Ferrari fans. What a ridiculous statement.

As ridiculous as saying a team should be benefited above all others, just because of the name it bears? Probably much less than that.

[Espresso]

For those who missed it. Ocon´s Q3 last quali run. Judge yourself. Fair game or destroying 4 drivers prepping their quali run.
Or from a different view. If drivers don´t respect one another on this.....quali would become a snakepit.

[mendis]

There is nothing wrong in retaliation.

Wow, absolute wow
What if today had caused Ocon to crash and get injured, would you still think Max was justified

The one that is inciting and causing problems should be dealt with seriously. You don't want to have problem kids on the circuit.

That would be Max.

It was Ocon's fault.

[langedweil]

WOW!!
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Law firm launches legal action over F1 Las Vegas GP spectator ejections

A high-profile Nevada law firm has launched a legal action against the Formula 1 Las Vegas GP organisation
and its contractor to pursue refunds for spectators.
It is asking for payments of “in excess” of $30,000 per spectator, split equally between “general” and “special” damages.
On Friday evening the Dimopoulos law firm working in conjunction with JK Legal & Consulting filed a class action on behalf
of the 35,000 spectators it says were at the track on Thursday.

A very interesting long article on Motorsport.

Haha .. that's a 1 billion claim
Well, it is the US and weirder stuff has happened before, so who can say.
But that will surely put a dent in revenue for next few editions of the Vegas GP.

[langedweil]

Wow, absolute wow
What if today had caused Ocon to crash and get injured, would you still think Max was justified.

No, that only worked for 44 ..

Just stop whining just to serve own feelings; chin up, back straight, and comment a bit more like an adult. Life will feel better in a while ..

[Scorpaguy]

WOW!!
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Law firm launches legal action over F1 Las Vegas GP spectator ejections

A high-profile Nevada law firm has launched a legal action against the Formula 1 Las Vegas GP organisation
and its contractor to pursue refunds for spectators.
It is asking for payments of “in excess” of $30,000 per spectator, split equally between “general” and “special” damages.
On Friday evening the Dimopoulos law firm working in conjunction with JK Legal & Consulting filed a class action on behalf
of the 35,000 spectators it says were at the track on Thursday.

A very interesting long article on Motorsport.

Indy debacle, Australian covid CF, and now this. It never ceases to amaze me how rich people can be so callous. It also never ceases to amaze me why we common folk continue to watch/support

[dialtone]

There is nothing wrong in retaliation.

Wow, absolute wow
What if today had caused Ocon to crash and get injured, would you still think Max was justified

The one that is inciting and causing problems should be dealt with seriously. You don't want to have problem kids on the circuit.

That would be Max.

It was Ocon's fault.

It’s totally irrelevant, especially in the US, but it’s the same in any legal system in the world, attempted crime is punished, although less than the successful crime.

Ocon should have been punished, Max should have been punished. The sole attempt at retaliation is enough in any legal system, let alone in sports rules, to warrant punishment. Even the corrupt FIFA punishes attempts at retaliation.

RBR fans aren’t familiar with rules, particularly when applied to their own team, not sure they believe rules even exist for RBR.

[Rodak]

What is it with the Max hate here? I don't hate any drivers and am amazed at the personal affronts some fans take. Get over it and get a life of your own instead of living in some one else's. Geez, get a girl/boy friend, take a walk in the woods, read a book, make your life your own and think your own thoughts instead of living your life though others. Grow up, be your own person.

[dialtone]

What is it with the Max hate here? I don't hate any drivers and am amazed at the personal affronts some fans take. Get over it and get a life of your own instead of living in some one else's. Geez, get a girl/boy friend, take a walk in the woods, read a book, make your life your own and think your own thoughts instead of living your life though others. Grow up, be your own person.

Wanting to respect rules or basic sportsmanship has nothing to do with hate. Max is a great driver, doesn’t need to be a child on track.

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What is it with the Max hate here? I don't hate any drivers and am amazed at the personal affronts some fans take. Get over it and get a life of your own instead of living in some one else's. Geez, get a girl/boy friend, take a walk in the woods, read a book, make your life your own and think your own thoughts instead of living your life though others. Grow up, be your own person.

Wanting to respect rules or basic sportsmanship has nothing to do with hate. Max is a great driver, doesn’t need to be a child on track.

You say rules but I don't think there is a rule broken with these revenge moves given both were on fast laps. Otherwise it would be protested. Lewis was knocked out in Q1 or Q2 due to it at Austria (iirc) and here Ocon in Q1. But neither Ocon or Hamilton complained about the situation - they knew what they had done. And neither did their teams.

And btw my opinion on the topic is that the revenge moves that Verstappen does are wrong and should be penalized, but what I'm saying is that I don't think the rules outlaw it

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Marko reckons the dirty side of the grid will be rubbish here based on fp2

[TFSA]

You are wrong, so basically, you are saying IF you get a good banker lap, set up to go at the same time as Max and if future just block him and according to you, that would be perfectly legal

Sorry but no, if you go out just to stop someone qualifying as best you can then its wrong.

Unbelievable

No I'm not. You can keep repeating that from now on and until hell freezes over, but there's a reason both this and HAM/VER in Austria wasn't even investigated. If no foul is committed, then there can't be a punishment. Motivation behind an action is entirely irrelevant as long as said action is legal. Max is allowed to race.

You fail to see this entire issue from the other side. If Ocon does what he did and he goes unpunished, but Verstappen gets punished (despite the fact that Ocon ruined Max hot lap), then this is gonna result in drivers pulling the Ocon stunt all the time. That is NOT a good idea.

The great thing about how this is working right now is that it's self-policing. You pull a stupid move (Ocon), you risk getting your own lap ruined. It's self-policing for both drivers (both got their laps ruined by racing each other), and stewards doesn't have to get involved.

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Find any penalized instance of a driver impeding another driver whilst both are on fast laps and I'll come around.

You would ask for consistency, but when something that has been a ruled a certain way that you disagree with, then consistency be damned and a penalty is the only logical answer.

The FIA don't give impeding or any other penalties to drivers who get in another's way when all involved are on fast laps.. it doesn't happen. If it should be a penalty then FIA should state that they want to penalize it going forward. What doesn't make sense is getting up in arms whenever Max isn't penalized for something that nobody has been...

[dialtone]

Find any penalized instance of a driver impeding another driver whilst both are on fast laps and I'll come around.

You would ask for consistency, but when something that has been a ruled a certain way that you disagree with, then consistency be damned and a penalty is the only logical answer.

Being on a fast lap has nothing to do with it... People while racing are punished for dangerous driving even if they are both racing. Being on a fast lap simply excuses you of impeding not from dangerous driving.

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Find any penalized instance of a driver impeding another driver whilst both are on fast laps and I'll come around.

You would ask for consistency, but when something that has been a ruled a certain way that you disagree with, then consistency be damned and a penalty is the only logical answer.

The FIA don't give impeding or any other penalties to drivers who get in another's way when all involved are on fast laps.. it doesn't happen. If it should be a penalty then FIA should state that they want to penalize it going forward. What doesn't make sense is getting up in arms whenever Max isn't penalized for something that nobody has been...

The guy came out of the car and said he did it on purpose because he was mad [and clearly will do it again]. Have other drivers done that?