Who are you to judge that?! Do you know these people personally?
Who are you to judge that?! Do you know these people personally?
I do not see that it was communicated like this.WaikeCU wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:33FIA communication? I think these rules about deduction of points only apply to car 33 and 44 as we speak.basti313 wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:27Well, I do not know....the last pages are again covered with how bad Max is by Ham fans. Talking about dutch in this sense is just disgusting they way most of these posts are. The Max fans are surprisingly quiet to be honest, maybe because they know there is no realistic chance. Maybe Ham fans could calm down as well, the situation who will win is clear.WaikeCU wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 16:38Quite funny I posted something about the Dutch pundits and it gets taken off here, all the while some others are talking about pundits as well.
Surely one can't talk about it as a reason why FIA are thinking that point deduction can be done when actions are questionable on track. If media brainwashes fans into thinking that these questionable actions on track are all allowed and a way to win the championship in the end, then one should be questioned how likely the possibility there is to such thing to happen.
When Max refers to the fans that voted him as DOTD as people that actually know what F1 is... then that works both ways I think. In that way I think FIA have communicated as they will take action when it happens.
I think the FIA communication is really bad. One can communicate like this internally. And not even this is good. As we know that Ham is without fault I see more danger with him divebombing Ves than Ves Ham with this announcement. Maybe we are lucky and the two just crash each other out in the first corner and we see a nice race in Formula 1.5.
Can you imagine rules only applicable to two competitors?
Yes, take Toto into the team of a$holes and as above...disqualify Merc and RedBull also for 22 and give us a nice season in 22. [-o<
So was Ham when he divebombed Rosberg or drove off Max in the last corner last week.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:43Max has been very public and very vocal in saying that he thinks forcing people off the road, divebombing in to corners and taking the place by cutting the chicane, etc., is all "racing" in his view. He uses these tactics and thinks these tactics are ok. Masi is reminding him (and all the others, naturally) that it is not "racing".
One could say, who are you to judge otherwise? No more, or less qualified.Wouter wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:46Who are you to judge that?! Do you know these people personally?
There is a difference; lets start with "I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone" The notion that Lewis hit Max at all is questionable. That isn't debating the incident, it's pointing out bias.DChemTech wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 15:53I am not going to the debate the content of that incident (again), this is not the place for that. What I am signaling here though is that this analysis, which you seem to present as rational and unbiased, is being argued by someone that I consistently see taking the side of Hamilton in every discussion. Most of the Max fans (sure, not all), that are being extremely critical of Lewis and very lenient with respect to Max, at least acknowledge Max' mistakes - the same does not apply to the reverse. Also note that there is a difference between intent and blame - I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone. That is also quite different when it comes to Lewis' fans arguing about Max.Shrieker wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 15:34This gets brought up again and again and again by Maxi fans, but it has been analysed and debunked here. If you think solely on the assumption that Hamilton was to blame there, then sure, your point stands.
But as things are, you're basing your opinion on a false premise.
Thanks for exhibiting my pointRoo wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:17There is a difference; lets start with "I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone" The notion that Lewis hit Max at all is questionable. That isn't debating the incident, it's pointing out bias.DChemTech wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 15:53I am not going to the debate the content of that incident (again), this is not the place for that. What I am signaling here though is that this analysis, which you seem to present as rational and unbiased, is being argued by someone that I consistently see taking the side of Hamilton in every discussion. Most of the Max fans (sure, not all), that are being extremely critical of Lewis and very lenient with respect to Max, at least acknowledge Max' mistakes - the same does not apply to the reverse. Also note that there is a difference between intent and blame - I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone. That is also quite different when it comes to Lewis' fans arguing about Max.Shrieker wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 15:34
This gets brought up again and again and again by Maxi fans, but it has been analysed and debunked here. If you think solely on the assumption that Hamilton was to blame there, then sure, your point stands.
But as things are, you're basing your opinion on a false premise.
The constant in all these is that MV divebombs, and seems to come from a position that no matter where he starts the dive from the corner is his and even tthe run off areas of the track is his. While those that own the corner arent allowed to own it. SA was MV doing that, and the brake test. I listenned to Billy Monger, it's not even funny to appear to weaponise the car...
LH is not on the level on MV with what he does. MV is embarassing to humanity.
But if you're making the point of bias by other forum users, there is also a pretty clear one running through most of what you post on here too, whether you see it or not, so it seems a bit disingenuous to call other people out for something you are also guilty of but just from an alternative viewpoint.DChemTech wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:22Thanks for exhibiting my pointRoo wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:17There is a difference; lets start with "I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone" The notion that Lewis hit Max at all is questionable. That isn't debating the incident, it's pointing out bias.DChemTech wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 15:53
I am not going to the debate the content of that incident (again), this is not the place for that. What I am signaling here though is that this analysis, which you seem to present as rational and unbiased, is being argued by someone that I consistently see taking the side of Hamilton in every discussion. Most of the Max fans (sure, not all), that are being extremely critical of Lewis and very lenient with respect to Max, at least acknowledge Max' mistakes - the same does not apply to the reverse. Also note that there is a difference between intent and blame - I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone. That is also quite different when it comes to Lewis' fans arguing about Max.
The constant in all these is that MV divebombs, and seems to come from a position that no matter where he starts the dive from the corner is his and even tthe run off areas of the track is his. While those that own the corner arent allowed to own it. SA was MV doing that, and the brake test. I listenned to Billy Monger, it's not even funny to appear to weaponise the car...
LH is not on the level on MV with what he does. MV is embarassing to humanity.
.El Scorchio wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:54.
One could say, who are you to judge otherwise? No more, or less qualified.
Last week, VER - much like the majority of VER moves, was not ahead into the corner. He wasn’t even alongside, he made up the distance deficit under braking. VER should have zero expectations of space given those parameters and HAM should be allowed to drive the line he wants.basti313 wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:50So was Ham when he divebombed Rosberg or drove off Max in the last corner last week.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:43Max has been very public and very vocal in saying that he thinks forcing people off the road, divebombing in to corners and taking the place by cutting the chicane, etc., is all "racing" in his view. He uses these tactics and thinks these tactics are ok. Masi is reminding him (and all the others, naturally) that it is not "racing".
Good point. As I said, if they crash each other and get both DSQ for the season this would help. It would not hit an innocent.
I don't have to know them to see what is blindingly obvious. He's in an echo chamber where he can do no wrong. Other drivers coming out and disagreeing with these sort of statements is quite telling.Wouter wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:46Who are you to judge that?! Do you know these people personally?
You are doing that by virtue of the statement you made in reply to SiLo. You clearly disagree with his view. If you had no conflicting judgement then you wouldn't have been compelled to pull another user up on theirs.Wouter wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:31.El Scorchio wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:54.
One could say, who are you to judge otherwise? No more, or less qualified.
Where do you see me judging these people? I don't know them, so I can't en will not judge them.
I don't deny that I have a favorite and that having bias is pretty much an unavoidable result. Bias in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the extent towards which it occurs, in that there appears to be a group of users (and press-representatives) that, by default, blames any incident between Lewis and Max on Max, and in many cases ascribe intent to it. This is not 'giving Lewis the benefit of doubt in unclear cases', it goes further - it goes as far as to basically pose that Lewis is without flaws. An octogod, if you will.El Scorchio wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:29But if you're making the point of bias by other forum users, there is also a pretty clear one running through most of what you post on here too, whether you see it or not, so it seems a bit disingenuous to call other people out for something you are also guilty of but just from an alternative viewpoint.DChemTech wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:22Thanks for exhibiting my pointRoo wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 19:17
There is a difference; lets start with "I am not arguing, and never will, that Lewis deliberately hit Max in Silverstone" The notion that Lewis hit Max at all is questionable. That isn't debating the incident, it's pointing out bias.
The constant in all these is that MV divebombs, and seems to come from a position that no matter where he starts the dive from the corner is his and even tthe run off areas of the track is his. While those that own the corner arent allowed to own it. SA was MV doing that, and the brake test. I listenned to Billy Monger, it's not even funny to appear to weaponise the car...
LH is not on the level on MV with what he does. MV is embarassing to humanity.
At this point, he is either trolling, or really, really, really delusional.El Scorchio wrote: ↑09 Dec 2021, 18:52From the BBC:
Abu Dhabi Grand Prix: Max Verstappen says he is treated differently to other drivers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59593834