2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[SmallSoldier]

Many people believe it has an asterisks, because without Masi's intervention Max would have finished second in the race and the championship!

Considering that Max was denied 60pts from Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, Max was due some luck. For Hamilton and Mercedes, I pretty much sum it up with one word: Karma.

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

[f1jcw]

Many people believe it has an asterisks, because without Masi's intervention Max would have finished second in the race and the championship!

Considering that Max was denied 60pts from Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, Max was due some luck. For Hamilton and Mercedes, I pretty much sum it up with one word: Karma.

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

[dans79]

AD thinks I'm unhappy with the new moderation (also he's a bit hurt cause I admitted I reported his bait / troll posts). I like the new moderation, but some of the members....

Actually I think he is referring to a tactic we have seen in the past in some threads. By that I mean some person(s) don't like the topic of the current conversation, so they would create a big stink/mess in the hope that the moderators will just close/lock the thread.

[Csmith1980]

Considering that Max was denied 60pts from Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, Max was due some luck. For Hamilton and Mercedes, I pretty much sum it up with one word: Karma.

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

I don’t get how people can conflate on track racing incidents which happen throughout the course of a normal season with an incident of an FIA official directly influencing the outcome of a race and justifying it as “karma”

[SmallSoldier]

Considering that Max was denied 60pts from Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, Max was due some luck. For Hamilton and Mercedes, I pretty much sum it up with one word: Karma.

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

I’m not arguing or saying that it was good luck or bad luck (but I can understand the opinions of those that do)… My point is that Massi’s decision in this race can be attributed to good or bad luck for either driver because the result was manipulated.

[siskue2005]

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

I don’t get how people can conflate on track racing incidents which happen throughout the course of a normal season with an incident of an FIA official directly influencing the outcome of a race and justifying it as “karma”

People dont know what is karma
The actual karma for what happened on the last lap will happen in the future!

[nzjrs]

AD thinks I'm unhappy with the new moderation (also he's a bit hurt cause I admitted I reported his bait / troll posts). I like the new moderation, but some of the members....

Actually I think he is referring to a tactic we have seen in the past in some threads. By that I mean some person(s) don't like the topic of the current conversation, so they would create a big stink/mess in the hope that the moderators will just close/lock the thread.

200 pages. We are already in the middle of a stinky mess!

[f1jcw]

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

I’m not arguing or saying that it was good luck or bad luck (but I can understand the opinions of those that do)… My point is that Massi’s decision in this race can be attributed to good or bad luck for either driver because the result was manipulated.

I agree

[f1jcw]

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

I don't get this baku, silverstone and hungry as bad luck for max, otherwise we'd say Spa, Monza and Baku was bad luck for Lewis.

I don’t get how people can conflate on track racing incidents which happen throughout the course of a normal season with an incident of an FIA official directly influencing the outcome of a race and justifying it as “karma”

agree again

[Just_a_fan]

Many people believe it has an asterisks, because without Masi's intervention Max would have finished second in the race and the championship!

Considering that Max was denied 60pts from Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, Max was due some luck. For Hamilton and Mercedes, I pretty much sum it up with one word: Karma.

I can understand the argument on bad luck from Max… But Massi’s decision in the last race can’t be counted as “Good Luck”.

Of course it's good luck. He was losing the title up to that moment. Without Masi's actions - which Max had no influence on - Lewis would be the 2021 champion. I don't see how it can be anything other than "good luck".

[AeroDynamic]

the thoughts of an individual disillusioned with F1technical, lobbying mods is not cultivating their desired outcome.. the frustration persists. Pay no mind and keep the debate in full swing!

Eh!?

AD thinks I'm unhappy with the new moderation (also he's a bit hurt cause I admitted I reported his bait / troll posts). I like the new moderation, but some of the members....

Actually, I had you down as one of the ones behind the scenes keeping the mods inbox full of messages about me. Hurt? You wish

[nzjrs]

Eh!?

AD thinks I'm unhappy with the new moderation (also he's a bit hurt cause I admitted I reported his bait / troll posts). I like the new moderation, but some of the members....

Actually, I had you down as one of the ones behind the scenes keeping the mods inbox full of messages about me. Hurt? You wish

Haha, mistake on your part then.

[AeroDynamic]

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Where did I say Redbull instructed massi too only take the cars out between max and Lewis?
Look, I understand you’re a die hard Redbull fan, I get it but you just cannot justifiably defend what massi did without distorting the reality of the situation.
He was heavily influenced by Redbull into making the decision he did, that is just plane fact.

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Look, I understand you’re a die hard Redbull fan,

So no constructive reply then

about as constructive as "British Bias" is.

Lets just deal with the facts rather than the fancy! did Pirelli say the teams were manipulating the running conditions of the tyres differently to what is expected? that's what red bull were defending themselves from.

If Pirelli say so, then unless we have proof contrary, then we must take the facts for what they are. Too many fancy theories and conjecture are muddying things.

Newey said their car was better / faster on balance over the season. This is a fairly qualified opinion that shouldn't be dismissed by those outside of the know.

[Big Tea]

We are well over 200 pages of posts here, same thing back and fore, so I have to ask, has anyone changed their mind either way?

For the record, I have. I initially thought Masi has to go, no matter what, now I think he has to be part of a team, and that teams have no direct communication with him during the race.
The rest of it- Ham v Ves or Merc v RBR should not really have had a baring on it.

[f1jcw]

We are well over 200 pages of posts here, same thing back and fore, so I have to ask, has anyone changed their mind either way?

For the record, I have. I initially thought Masi has to go, no matter what, now I think he has to be part of a team, and that teams have no direct communication with him during the race.
The rest of it- Ham v Ves or Merc v RBR should not really have had a baring on it.

No way can he stay