2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[Big Tea]

Hamilton fan here!

Can't really understand why people are complaining about Schumacher's defense! The guy just couldn't brake late enough to pass Schumacher...it was getting frustrating! If you look at Perez's pass Hamilton had exactly the same opportunity a lap later (lap 12 I think) yet instead for going for the inside he chose to go to the outside line and try a DRS pass down to turn 4!

Problem is he did the same thing for about 10 laps until in the end it worked! What gets on my nerves lately with Hamilton is that he's not aggressive enough even though he isn't racing for the championship and he tries the same move again and again until he succeeds instead of changing lines and trying something different!

Yip, drivers do what they have to do whoever they are. Its their job. (all within reason of course, and this it the cruncher)

[Mogster]

Hamilton fan here!

Can't really understand why people are complaining about Schumacher's defense! The guy just couldn't brake late enough to pass Schumacher...it was getting frustrating! If you look at Perez's pass Hamilton had exactly the same opportunity a lap later (lap 12 I think) yet instead for going for the inside he chose to go to the outside line and try a DRS pass down to turn 4!

Problem is he did the same thing for about 10 laps until in the end it worked! What gets on my nerves lately with Hamilton is that he's not aggressive enough even though he isn't racing for the championship and he tries the same move again and again until he succeeds instead of changing lines and trying something different!

Yip, drivers do what they have to do whoever they are. Its their job. (all within reason of course, and this it the cruncher)

In the context of modern F1 I couldn’t see anything wrong with Mick’s driving. Wether allowing this type of weaving defence is good for racing is another issue, in Indycar you’d be given a penalty for reacting to the car behind and changing your line.

Hamilton could have forced the issue a bit more but as we’ve seen from him this year he seemed to be in risk/reward mode. It wasn’t worth it for the potential reward.

[Big Tea]

Hamilton fan here!

Can't really understand why people are complaining about Schumacher's defense! The guy just couldn't brake late enough to pass Schumacher...it was getting frustrating! If you look at Perez's pass Hamilton had exactly the same opportunity a lap later (lap 12 I think) yet instead for going for the inside he chose to go to the outside line and try a DRS pass down to turn 4!

Problem is he did the same thing for about 10 laps until in the end it worked! What gets on my nerves lately with Hamilton is that he's not aggressive enough even though he isn't racing for the championship and he tries the same move again and again until he succeeds instead of changing lines and trying something different!

Yip, drivers do what they have to do whoever they are. Its their job. (all within reason of course, and this it the cruncher)

In the context of modern F1 I couldn’t see anything wrong with Mick’s driving. Wether allowing this type of weaving defence is good for racing is another issue, in Indycar you’d be given a penalty for reacting to the car behind and changing your line.

Hamilton could have forced the issue a bit more but as we’ve seen from him this year he seemed to be in risk/reward mode. It wasn’t worth it for the potential reward.

I think the problem lies with DRS. Either do away with it or make it only applicable for one or two laps.
Cars would then be vulnerable to those behind that approach with DRS and allow passing as long as they get on with it not form a train.

[RZS10]

Worst case he forced him to ride the white line, so the move was perfectly judged.

Perez was on the limit with that white line, but that's not a problem for me there. The overlapping wheels are. If there had been a bigger speed difference between them, it wouldn't have ended nicely for both of them.

If Hamilton had been 10 cm more to the left, for me it would have been a perfect, aggressive but safe ride. With wheels overlapping... It's excessive aggressive

Oh yea, you can call it excessively aggressive, i think it's aggressive but just on the limit, thus fair, opinions can differ ... i just wanted to show that it wasn't as close as some here (from a certain fan camp, of course) were making it out to be and not at all comparable to running someone off track in the corner, as done by various drivers in this sprint.

There's just two very very brief moments where their tyres probably overlap and it's hard to tell whether Perez still had some margin to the right (and judging by the offboard i would say yes, frames 42-46) in the first instance (even though RIC for example has shown over and over that dipping a wheel onto the grass partially can be done without loss of control) and Lewis instantly moves away to allow more space, the second time there's already painted tarmac so it was not at all dangerous.

And it turns out It's in the footage, even the highlights as i found out today, so it's easy to verify that Perez always had the legally required space if you count the line as part of the track, everything past that is just complaining for the sake of it and a waste of time, really - and it would not surprise me if some people on the internet were more upset about it than Perez himself

[214270]

Perfectly judged by HAM.

In all honestly, to me he closed the gap because the car is draggy and he was looking to steal tow off the Alfa in front. His move to the left pretty much mirrored the Alfa’s movement until he ran out of space because PER was in the way.

[Andres125sx]

what a joke of a penalty for Albon

FIA is finally punishing drivers who push other cars off track, and that is good. Not even in MX that is allowed, but for some reason FIA has been allowing that for years.

Now they´re finally endorsing that behaviour... at least most of the times... it should be always, but better usually than never

[Andres125sx]

Lectern could have won this is Sainz had not disturbed him earlier. Sainz is absolutely toxic for Ferrari & needs to embrace his No.2 role. There are rumours that Binotto could be fired over his handling of the same !

Except Sainz is not a #2, said by Binotto, so please stop assuming your likes are the norm

What you call disturbing is called racing

[RZS10]

[...] he was looking to steal tow off the Alfa in front. [...]

Yea ... i'd also argue that he was looking for a whiff of some sweet slip stream off Bottas in a drag race with Perez rather than just trying to squeeze him for no reason at all other than to squeeze him - if Bottas had stayed left you just know they both would have tried to follow him.

[Mogster]

Shame we can’t have the track extended and at least the flavour of how it used to be. The Osterreich ring was a glorious venue. What we have now is more like a Kart track.

[Sevach]

How long could a set of softs realistically last in the race before the deg is too high?

there's a graph on the F1.com website. According to that, it's totally stable till lap 25, but on from 30, they lose 10+s per lap

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Why make the soft so crappy... it's giving an option that nobody will take.

[RZS10]

Shame we can’t have the track extended [...]

True, it's a shame they could never do the Westschleife extension (proposed in 2005) ...

or could not return to something similar to the old layout which they wanted to call the Österreichring expansion iirc in like 2015-2017 even though some parts of the surface was already done, incl. chicanes (see google maps)

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[Mogster]

Shame we can’t have the track extended [...]

True, it's a shame they could never do the Westschleife extension (proposed in 2005) ...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ng.svg.png
or could not return to something similar to the old layout which they wanted to call the Österreichring expansion iirc in like 2015-2017 even though some parts of the surface was already done, incl. chicanes (see google maps)
https://i.imgur.com/QaL51Op.png

Aye. Very much so.

Track limits penalties being handed out like confetti in the F2 races…

[AMG.Tzan]

Since you asked:

Goodness...these Red Bull drivers can't race cleanly!!

Perez has been quite aggressive since he joined Red Bull! Apparently he's trying to prove himself but in doing so he doesn't care where others are or if his moves end up in an accident! If he continues like that a crash isn't far away...

[RZS10]

In all fairness to Perez he did not cut across aggresively and could not know that Lewis had Albon to his left ... he did however still have Lewis 50% alongside and was a bit less than a car length behind Bottas before he went really late on the brakes, with Bottas braking towards the outside there was bound to be contact, luckily for all in that group Lewis reacted well and managed to brake hard enough, early enough to avoid having another Red Bull car climb over his front wheel...