2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Sep 02 - 04

[mendis]

At the end of the day. A challenge from Ferrari that fizzled a quarter of the way thru the season and zero challenge from Perez. This is how dominant seasons are born. Max will break the wins and points record it's only a matter of when.

It's great to see such brilliance!

[dxpetrov]

In a season where he is 100 plus points ahead and will challenge for the record wins in a season, the car and driver are only the fastest in 3 races?

OK...

Yeah, i don't know what's the point on insisting on this false premise?! To show how Max is just a driver from another planet despite all? I mean, I obviously route for him, but in no way Id think that he would achieve anything close to this without a great car. And don't give me that "look at Perez" BS once again... Don't want to argue on this. People can go on and think whatever they like, but somewhere there is a problem of lack of understanding of reading the race at the end. I'm watching this sport for more than 30 years now, and long time stoped believing in Santa.

Feel free to articulate and explain why I'm incorrect about Ferrari being quicker at 7/13 of the tracks in the first half of the season.

Saying I'm "believing in Santa", stating "a false premise", and quoting your experience watching F1... none of this bolsters your point. You are only tiptoeing away from this without offering anything valuable. If you don't want to articulate specifics as to where I'm wrong fine, we agree to disagree.

I remember you were saying RB lacked pace on Friday, and then what happened? You entitled to your own opinion but just think about it, it could actually be wrong. And the results prove it. No need for me to go back and forth arguing abt races and who was faster on each. Obviously you are way off the mark. Have a good eveningy friend! Apologies if I come around as offensive, not my intention at all. Cheers

[Ben1980]

Red Bull and Max have won 10 of 15 races, by definition they've been the fastest partnership for the majority of races.

I dont recall every race, but if there were races when another car was leading and lost because of a failure I can accept that.

But, its pretty clear. Max and RedBull together have been dominant.

[Spoutnik]

This is one ot the most dominant seasons for any car. We are back to the vettel redbull days.

He never had a car like the F2002/F2004 or W05/W06/W07/W10/W11.

These cars never had so much clownery for competition.
Barichello, Bottas, Rosberg were better teamates too

[organic]

Yeah, i don't know what's the point on insisting on this false premise?! To show how Max is just a driver from another planet despite all? I mean, I obviously route for him, but in no way Id think that he would achieve anything close to this without a great car. And don't give me that "look at Perez" BS once again... Don't want to argue on this. People can go on and think whatever they like, but somewhere there is a problem of lack of understanding of reading the race at the end. I'm watching this sport for more than 30 years now, and long time stoped believing in Santa.

Feel free to articulate and explain why I'm incorrect about Ferrari being quicker at 7/13 of the tracks in the first half of the season.

Saying I'm "believing in Santa", stating "a false premise", and quoting your experience watching F1... none of this bolsters your point. You are only tiptoeing away from this without offering anything valuable. If you don't want to articulate specifics as to where I'm wrong fine, we agree to disagree.

I remember you were saying RB lacked pace on Friday, and then what happened? You entitled to your own opinion but just think about it, it could actually be wrong. And the results prove it. No need for me to go back and forth arguing abt races and who was faster on each. Obviously you are way off the mark. Have a good eveningy friend! Apologies if I come around as offensive, not my intention at all. Cheers

Attempting to call me out for something that I was demonstrably correct about.. ok

RB did lack pace on Friday, partly thanks to the gearbox problems, and it was fixed for Saturday.. yes no need to go back and forth haha....

[hollus]

This epoxy layer of fixed gravel was a success, wasn't it? I was convinced it would not survive an F1 car, but it did.

[organic]

This epoxy layer of fixed gravel was a success, wasn't it? I was convinced it would not survive an F1 car, but it did.

It seemed to do quite well. Also have to consider how it weather's/ages unless they plan to do it every year refreshed. I was also skeptical, but can't ignore the results. Drivers weren't going onto that slippery gravel deliberately to gain advantages, and Pirelli gave positive feedback on Friday that it reduced the number of cuts in the tyres iirc

[BlueCheetah66]

This epoxy layer of fixed gravel was a success, wasn't it? I was convinced it would not survive an F1 car, but it did.

I think a lot of tracks should look at it as an option. Its a great way to make sure the the white line is actually the boundaries. Didnt see much drivers put their outside tyre on it much

[PlatinumZealot]

This is one ot the most dominant seasons for any car. We are back to the vettel redbull days.

If RB18 really were so dominant then you would have more RedBull 1&2 starts and 1&2 finishes like Mercedes had with their power unit advantage.

What is really happening is this season Max Verstappen is having a very dominant DRIVE in which he is able to win races utilizing the car he has available to him. The RedBull has the PU and drivetrain in which straight line speed and aero efficiency are rewarded. Mercedes dropped the ball with their car concept and Ferrari with their strategy and preparedness.

Max was going to beat the Mercs even without safety cars, Max would have just hunted down the Mercs on new tyres on his 3rd stint.

The car and team is dominant. Speed. Tyre life. Strategy. Reliabilty.

What you are seeing is that he has a slow qualifying teammate and the other two teams have elite drivers too so the second tier cars get closer than what you would normaly see in previous dominant eras.

[214270]

This epoxy layer of fixed gravel was a success, wasn't it? I was convinced it would not survive an F1 car, but it did.

It’s an interesting choice. You won’t find marine grade gravel used anywhere on a regular highway, meaning that they intended for it to offer little grip and it looks like the drivers stayed away from it.

I don’t think there’s an equivalent material in use right now in raceway design with equiv properties, so it could be an interesting addition.

[Juzh]

By the way .... The restart after the safety car, I got the impression that Lewis wanted to forced Max into a penalty
by letting him pass just before the finish line by slowing down a bit.
But Max knows Lewis's games, because Lewis has tried this before with Max!

Nah, hamilton kept it pinned and didn't play any games.

Throttle at 100% from last corner to start/finish line.

[Wouter]

By the way .... The restart after the safety car, I got the impression that Lewis wanted to forced Max into a penalty
by letting him pass just before the finish line by slowing down a bit.
But Max knows Lewis's games, because Lewis has tried this before with Max!

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Nah, hamilton kept it pinned and didn't play any games.

Throttle at 100% from last corner to start/finish line.
https://i.imgur.com/GC4Xs6g.jpg

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Ok, thanks @Juzh.

[JordanMugen]

I dont recall every race, but if there were races when another car was leading and lost because of a failure I can accept that.

The Ferrari of Charles Leclerc broke down from the lead in both Spain and Azerbaijan.

Leclerc was also leading in France before crashing too IIRC. So that's at least three wins that could have gone to the Monegasque IIRC.

Ferrari also were potentially fast enough to win in Monaco IIRC, but had poor strategy particularly for Leclerc.

Regardless, the Red Bull-Honda + Verstappen package has certainly been the best overall, regardless of the Ferrari being a little faster at times and the Ferrari having the larger number of pole positions.

Leclerc could have potentially taken three wins from Verstappen as first mentioned, one too from Perez (Monaco) and another from Sainz (Britain) in more ideal circumstances I believe. That would give Verstappen 7 wins and Leclerc, an actually larger than Verstappen, total of 8 wins rather than the 3 wins Leclerc has actually taken.

On this basis, Leclerc could potentially have had a comparable or even larger total of WDC points than Verstappen at this point of the season.

Of course Verstappen also had two retirements where he could have scored more points also, albeit he was not leading in either of those races IIRC. Certainly not in Australia, I can't remember if Verstappen was leading in Bahrain when he retired, I don't think so.

[TimW]

Tires could also be playing into Max' hands this year. The front tires are weaker than the rear. So protecting the fronts with an oversteery setup can be beneficial. And that happens to be a setup Max is known to be good with.

(And of course those tires are a conspiracy to help Max /s)

[Mchamilton]

Tires could also be playing into Max' hands this year. The front tires are weaker than the rear. So protecting the fronts with an oversteery setup can be beneficial. And that happens to be a setup Max is known to be good with.

(And of course those tires are a conspiracy to help Max /s)

But you need a strong front to achieve an oversteery setup, reducing grip from the rear to intentionally make the rear slide will just be plain slow. Perez was closer to max early on because the RB had a "very" weak front for max' liking, now they've improved it and result is evident