2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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CjC wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:53
Emag wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:37
chrisgr wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:37
We took the point for the fastest lap. Norris was very disappointed with the second place. We are a very long way from last year. What worries me is Piastri's pace. I hope it was one off.
Yeah, a shocker by Oscar. Car was comfortably fastest on the hands of Lando but 4th fastest on Oscar.
If he’s not back there with Lando in Silverstone when it’s a cause for concern.
I’m gonna reserve judgement in Austria because Lando has been so good there historically
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Any upgrades coming for Austria?? if Not then hopefully silverstone. We might need them with Red Bull having them in silverstone.

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mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:54
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:51


Eh?

We were faster on older tyres at the end and looked after our tyres much better.

The only time this car struggled was getting past Russell on equal tyres, but Russell was pushing harder and it cost him and us. He'd have done better to look after his tyres and got 3rd
Do you really believe that? Max was just controlling the breakaway.
I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.

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Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:06
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:54

Do you really believe that? Max was just controlling the breakaway.
I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.
GP told Max to push so I don’t know why you think he was managing race… Do you have any data that shows Max was just managing?
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Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:06
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:54

Do you really believe that? Max was just controlling the breakaway.
I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.
Right, controlling the pace by letting your gap go down to 2 seconds. One slight mistake or catching a backmarker at a bad place and your lead is gone.

All leaders purposefully go slow to lose the race ...

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Max was able to manage his tyres when he hit the front. But the days of hitting the front and cruising in control are long gone.

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Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:11
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:06
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55


I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.
GP told Max to push so I don’t know why you think he was managing race… Do you have any data that shows Max was just managing?
He has got none. He is just assuming RedBull had heaps of pace in hand because the gap at the end was so small. That wasn't anywhere near to being the truth.

I called for an easy win for RedBull here and it wasn't the case. I don't think the team should back out from claiming they had the quickest car here. It would serve as an excuse for losing the race where in fact the race was lost due to the bad start and possibly due to a bad strategy call. They need to look into how to do better operationally now, because the car is performing.

Pitstop also weren't great today.

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Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:06
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:54

Do you really believe that? Max was just controlling the breakaway.
I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.
Yes but I don't think he would do it to that extent, he was running risks letting the gap drop so low and he couldn't get any fast laps in. A trait of Max pace management. His tyres were also no worse than Lando who chased him down by I think 13 seconds? And was still faster when he got close. Max just didn't have the speed to fo more
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Emag wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:12
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:06
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:55


I don't think he was controlling anything.
this is almost always what leaders do, saving the life of the machine.
Right, controlling the pace by letting your gap go down to 2 seconds. One slight mistake or catching a backmarker at a bad place and your lead is gone.

All leaders purposefully go slow to lose the race ...
An error is more likely to occur if you drive at full strength

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If McLaren was the fastest car, then it was necessary to stop Lando after a mistake at Russell's pit stop, and cut Max off at the second pit stop, why didn't they do that?

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mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:51
Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:44
mwillems wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 16:35
The car was the fastest today but only in clean air or with a delta. This I'd the key takeaway.
Lando was always on fresher tires, of course he was faster, Max had nowhere to hurry because of the McLaren strategists
Eh?

We were faster on older tyres at the end and looked after our tyres much better.

The only time this car struggled was getting past Russell on equal tyres, but Russell was pushing harder and it cost him and us. He'd have done better to look after his tyres and got 3rd
This!

We're naturally disappointed not to get the win but the pace was there. The tyre deg was better in spite of all the dirty air Lando had to live in. Lando bagged the fastest lap. Oscar after a very poor qualifying and getting mercilessly held up by Gasly came home in the last stint with laps second only to Lando and almost caught Carlos at the end.

We weren't very close two months ago and now at the reference circuit we have qual and race pace. Need to tidy up a few things like pitstops and get Oscar back on track but it's looking good. Lando now P2 in WDC!

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Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:20
If McLaren was the fastest car, then it was necessary to stop Lando after a mistake at Russell's pit stop, and cut Max off at the second pit stop, why didn't they do that?

They asked lando to cover George and he replied let’s get Max instead.
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Tomsky wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 17:20
If McLaren was the fastest car, then it was necessary to stop Lando after a mistake at Russell's pit stop, and cut Max off at the second pit stop, why didn't they do that?
I'm sure you'll understand when you hear Max's description of his win. He knew that the McLaren was quicker and getting in front in clear air was his best chance. He had to push quite hard throughout. Russell ruined Lando's chance of victory as overtaking required a tyre delta, which is what the McLaren strategists did. After the first lap Max had very little overtaking to do and Lando still had more tyre life available to him.

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good job to McLaren, they have done an amazing work over the last months to come up with the fastest car now

I know it feels like a defeat today, they lost on strategy and start, but if they can keep this momentum, victories will inevitably arrive

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mclaren111 wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 10:54
MTudor wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 01:37
So Lando got pole on my mo's birthday 👏👏👏👏

Congrats... :D :D
😂😂😂