Ahhh I dunno. I'd still say Max was ahead. At best, they were level. Shame there isnt a overhead shot we could get.
Here's Max's onboard.
Ahhh I dunno. I'd still say Max was ahead. At best, they were level. Shame there isnt a overhead shot we could get.
Well, one can appearantly make 3 tracklimit violations before the B&W comes out. Doesn't state whether defending is involved or not.
He´s ok. The fact he is looking that good is because Albon is very overated, due to being massively flattered by Latifi ( just like Russell and de Vries)
Stop mocking Lewis! He´s doing us a favour now that Sargeant is gonenapoleon1981 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:25Better than qualifying a car good enough to win races this year at p19, then beaching it like a beginner. Infinitely better.
Yeah, that´s reasonablechrstphrln wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 09:33In my opinion, the correct decision would have been to give Lando the 5 seconds for overtaking off the track and Max for forcing him off.
are you effin kidding me?
I envy your optimism, btw
I doubt they were looking at this in this detail. My first view was from the onboard, and there you can always see the RedBull front wing in front of the Ferrari tire...means it is ahead. I would have closed the case at this point.
So if we take into account your opinion, Norris who was fully ahead of Verstapen down the straight (as TFSA showcased above) and then gets pushed off the track by Verstapen is ok and so Max should get a 10s penalty for pushing someone off the track…chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 18:41The apex view, from the livestream gives a different perspective to the onboard. On Sainz onboard, he never looks ahead of Max.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 11:08Feel free to find one. It's literally the apex view. The point is moot, Sainz left the track trying to overtake and would have been penalised if he didn't return the position even if it was Lap 1 incident. My point is that it's not the same situstion as Lap 52 incident
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Sainz had no rights to the corner IMHO. And tbh, should have got a 10s penalty for forcing a car off track. Same as Russell did.
Essentially yes, as long as you clip the apex ahead of your rival.
I mean you can almost beg to question why other drivers havent started doing the same. If it's allowed by the rules, then the other drivers have been snoozing for the last 3 years.Mogster wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 22:00Essentially yes, as long as you clip the apex ahead of your rival.
You can ease off the brake to make sure you are ahead, then go straight on, blocking the track with your car. This forces your rival on to the run off as they have nowhere else to go and have already braked late. They then can’t overtake you without sanction as they are off track. It means you can’t be overtaken on the outside, so trying that move is pointless, as I was lamely shouting at the TV on Sunday evening.
I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this. It’s been Max’s signature move since 2021… I don’t blame him for doing it, it’s just exploiting the rules. I almost wish others would do it more often as then it would become ridiculous and force a rules change.
Isn’t that what Lando did in Austria and it ended his race?chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 22:31I mean you can almost beg to question why other drivers havent started doing the same. If it's allowed by the rules, then the other drivers have been snoozing for the last 3 years.Mogster wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 22:00Essentially yes, as long as you clip the apex ahead of your rival.
You can ease off the brake to make sure you are ahead, then go straight on, blocking the track with your car. This forces your rival on to the run off as they have nowhere else to go and have already braked late. They then can’t overtake you without sanction as they are off track. It means you can’t be overtaken on the outside, so trying that move is pointless, as I was lamely shouting at the TV on Sunday evening.
I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this. It’s been Max’s signature move since 2021… I don’t blame him for doing it, it’s just exploiting the rules. I almost wish others would do it more often as then it would become ridiculous and force a rules change.
Or, another theory, they just turn in and take the widest possible line on the track, and let the 'defending' car run into them. That way they are penalised for causing a collision rather than get run off the track. I mean it has its consequences of course that it might end your race.
I have, quite a bit. I dont understand how any driver ever lets anybody pass them on the outside when you're essentially allowed to run them off by ensuring you go deeper than them into the corner so it's *impossible* for them to be technically ahead of you at any point.
"Apex ahead"