2015 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[Juzh]

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I would say that it is karma for trying to circumvent the engine penalty rules and introduce a bunch of engines even though it was nothing wrong with the previous one.

[iotar__]

Any thoughts on the gagging order about the Pirelli stuff? Apparently Vettel/Ferrari turned around and accepted blame because Ecclestone told them to stop complaining, and all drivers have been told to not voice their concerns.

Same gagging order but from their association happened after Bianchi's crash and similar after Alonso's crash, I don't recall anyone complaining. Drivers (journalists too) are political animals and know when to shut up themselves, where the wind is blowing and who they can attack. If they care so much about safety they should attack Ecclestone now and speak freely .

I don't trust drivers at all, it took Alonso a decade and a slow McLaren to suddenly start missing "exciting" old (05-06) F1, they want to "push 100%" or not, "engines sound like s..." or not, they want more "dangerous" F1 or not, they're all reading from scripts. Alonso in an early '13/'12 race drove into Vettel on the first lap, continued with a broken front wing and narrowly missed high speed collision - nothing; Rosberg winning Silverstone after speeding during yellows, Ferrari with badly attached wheels, multiple one-sided collisions with no reaction etc. The real safety issues are ignored all the time.

Going back to Monza - engine penalties are not big enough, especially for McLaren (but others too), they use GP weekends as glorified testing sessions, accumulate penalties with no costs and don't compete on purpose while being paid handsomely at the expense of other teams. Where is Ecclestone?

[SectorOne]

engine change for Rosberg. Not sure if they were just finished or just started. He will go back to SPA engine.

edit: just finished.

[Andres125sx]

I dream that one day we'll see a Formula 1 car lap break Montoya's 1:19.525

4.5 seconds off that last year in Qualifying.

I don´t get that obsession to improve laptimes, really. That´s too easy, just a matter of rules

They´re doing similar laptimes using a lot less fuel, to me that´s impressive.

They're not doing similar laptimes, they're 3-6 seconds off.

As for the obesession with improving laptimes, we don't want to see lap records as such, we want to see drivers pushing the car to the edge. A car capable of doing a 79 second lap will take more balls than an 84 second car after all.

3-6 seconds if you compare with record lap, but comparing this new PU with last V8 they´re only less than one second slower, and that was comparing with 2014 GP (1:23.7 vs 1:24.5) when PU was new. We´ll see today but they probably will beat last V8 laptime.

Comparing with Montoya´s record lap is nosense, cars are completely different, from PU to aero and tyres.

[Forza]

[iotar__]

"Rosberg forced to revert to old-spec engine" (circus sounds). Another substance contamination? Here we go again. pitstops, tyres, engines. As if saving face present to Ferrari for their home GP - no new engines to customer teams - wasn't enough. F1 is like a joke wrestling.

Verstappen: that was more dangerous than Spa, how is that possible? Bodywork must withstand such forces (like tyres). What if someone was behind? It could have gouged someone's eye out . Drivers must be shocked, I demand an investigation and expect weeks of controversy.

[RZS10]

Is it fair to assume that Hamilton might not have gotten pole without the 7-token engine upgrade?

[f1316]

I can't believe anyone expected the Ferraris to be less than 3 tenths off Mercedes, with its 7 token upgraded PU, at monza.

The start will be interesting, that's for sure.

[F1NAC]

Kimi is high

[Juzh]

Vettel with best sectors combined would just get him into 2nd. Props to RAI for hooking it up together in a single lap.

Hamilton only 2/100s up on ferrari in 2nd sector.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

The other way to look at it would be, in the hands of Lewis, the old spec Merc PU could still have achieved pole, ahead of upgraded Ferrari PU. While Ferraris' and Nico's times improved from Q2 to Q3, Lewis stayed flat on the same. Either he didn't felt the need to push any more or Merc turned down things on his PU due to the reliability worries borne out of Nico's PU situation.

The upgraded Ferrari PU is just 0.072 faster than the old spec Merc PU that Nico was running. Knowing the fact that Lewis was atleast 3 tenths faster throughout practice compared to Nico, with old PU Lewis would have been 2 tenths ahead, even with old PU.

[Racer X]

Well done and at the same time a real shame for Force India Hulk probably could have gone back out and done a faster lap. They placed both Cars in the Top 10.


I only HOPE this doesn't become a problem tomorrow for Hulk would be a real shame since clearly Hulk and Perez can both have a good showing in the fight for the top 5 - 10.

I can see Hulk and Perez Finishing 5th and 6th. It's possible. But it all depends this I think would be a best case scenario. Worst Case 9th and 10th.

[F1NAC]

The other way to look at it would be, in the hands of Lewis, the old spec Merc PU could still have achieved pole, ahead of upgraded Ferrari PU. While Ferraris' and Nico's times improved from Q2 to Q3, Lewis stayed flat on the same. Either he didn't felt the need to push any more or Merc turned down things on his PU due to the reliability worries borne out of Nico's PU situation.

yea for sure they turned down

[Juzh]

The other way to look at it would be, in the hands of Lewis, the old spec Merc PU could still have achieved pole, ahead of upgraded Ferrari PU. While Ferraris' and Nico's times improved from Q2 to Q3, Lewis stayed flat on the same. Either he didn't felt the need to push any more or Merc turned down things on his PU due to the reliability worries borne out of Nico's PU situation.

Yep, 2/10 such a big margin. Lets turn everything down to earth, we're so safe.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

The other way to look at it would be, in the hands of Lewis, the old spec Merc PU could still have achieved pole, ahead of upgraded Ferrari PU. While Ferraris' and Nico's times improved from Q2 to Q3, Lewis stayed flat on the same. Either he didn't felt the need to push any more or Merc turned down things on his PU due to the reliability worries borne out of Nico's PU situation.

Yep, 2/10 such a big margin. Lets turn everything down to earth, we're so safe.

You will get the answers in the rest of season.

And I am also ready to bet that, both Ferraris will jump Lewis tomorrow, only for Lewis to come back and beat them convincingly.